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Discussion for Today[edit]
- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_July_14
July 14[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Museum collections[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Allen Memorial Art Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Allen Memorial Art Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Amgueddfa Cymru – Museum Wales (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Derby Museum and Art Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Herbert Art Gallery and Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Lancashire Museums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of M – Museum Leuven (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of National Galleries Scotland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of National Museums Scotland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of North Lincolnshire Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Palazzo Abatellis (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Palazzo Pitti (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of Pinacoteca di Brera (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Lincoln Museum, Lincolnshire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of York Art Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Accademia Carrara (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Albertina, Vienna (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Alte Pinakothek (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of Ballarat (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of New South Wales (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of Ontario (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of South Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Art Gallery of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Art Institute of Chicago (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Art Museum of Estonia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Astrup Fearnley Museum of Modern Art (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Ateneum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Australian War Memorial (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Bangkok National Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Bardo National Museum (Tunis) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Detroit Institute of Arts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Doria Pamphilj Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Fitzwilliam Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Fuglsang Art Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Galleria Borghese (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Galleria Nazionale dell'Umbria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Galleria Nazionale delle Marche (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Galleria Sabauda (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Galleria dell'Accademia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Galleria nazionale di Parma (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Gallerie dell'Accademia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Geelong Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Gemäldegalerie Alte Meister (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Germanisches Nationalmuseum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Gothenburg Museum of Art (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Groeningemuseum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Hull and East Riding Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Hunan Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Hunan Provincial Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Israel Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the J. Paul Getty Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Kröller-Müller Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Kunsthistorisches Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Kunstmuseum, The Hague (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Lady Lever Art Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Louvre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Lázaro Galdiano Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Moderna Museet (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museo Bardini (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museo Correr (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofía (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museo Nazionale di San Matteo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museo del Prado (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museo di Capodimonte (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum Ludwig (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts, Ghent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts (Budapest) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum of Grenoble (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Museum of London (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée Carnavalet (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée Condé (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée Gustave-Moreau (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée Jacquemart-André (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée d'Art et d'Histoire (Neuchâtel) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée d'Arts de Nantes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée d'Orsay (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée des Augustins (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Nancy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée des Beaux-Arts et d'archéologie de Besançon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musée des beaux-arts de la ville de Paris (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Archaeological Museum, Naples (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Archives of Thailand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Gallery (Norway) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Gallery Prague (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Art (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Denmark (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Gallery of Victoria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum Cardiff (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum in Prague (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum of Anthropology (Mexico) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum of Beirut (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum of Qatar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum of Serbia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum of Singapore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Museum of the Philippines (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Portrait Gallery, London (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the National Roman Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Nationalmuseum Stockholm (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Naval Museum of Madrid (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the New Art Gallery Walsall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the North Carolina Museum of Art (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Norton Simon Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Norwegian Museum of Cultural History (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Palais des Beaux-Arts de Lille (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Petit Palais (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Powerhouse Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Pushkin Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Randers Museum of Art (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Royal Museum of Fine Arts, Antwerp (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Royal Ontario Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Russian Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Salar Jung Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Science Museum, London (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Scott Polar Research Institute (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Skagens Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Musei di Strada Nuova (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Städel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Tretyakov Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Uffizi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Van Gogh Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Vatican Museums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Villa Giulia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Wadsworth Atheneum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Wallraf-Richartz Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Wallraf–Richartz Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Winterthur Museum, Garden and Library (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Worcester Art Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Yale Center for British Art (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Yale University Art Gallery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the York Archaeological Trust (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the York Museums Trust (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Yorkshire Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Subcategories of Category:Museum collections for individual museums currently use a mixture of the styles Collection of [the Foo Museum] and Collections of [the Foo Museum]. I propose to standardize to "Collection", singular, as that seems more logical; the article Collection (museum) mostly refers to a museum as having a "collection" as opposed to "collections", plural – although "Very large museums will often have many sub-collections, each with its own criteria for collecting. A natural history museum, for example, will have mammals in a separate collection from insects." Even in those cases, though, it's still idiomatic to refer to the collection of, say, the British Museum – see this Ngram. Ham II (talk) 06:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bengali letters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Bengali letters to Category:Indic letters and Category:Bengali language
- Propose merging Category:Devanagari letters to Category:Indic letters and Category:Devanagari
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only two articles in each of these categories, that is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Historic cigar factories[edit]
- Propose Renaming Category:Historic cigar factories to Category:Cigar factories
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT
- While Category:Cigar factories on the National Register of Historic Places has clear inclusion criteria, this category does not. In my subjective opinion, the El Laguito Cigar Factory is not historic but, in the subjective opinion of another editor, it is . The proposed rename would make the category objective. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Background: We previously eliminated similarly subjective "historic" categories here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Whirly-Girls[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Whirly-Girls to Category:Helicopter pilots
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge; the name is not what these women are referred to but only the name of the organization. Note that these articles are already in Category:Women aviators by nationality. Hence only single merge. Alternative suggestion: keep and rename to Category:Women helicopter pilots which would expand the scope of the category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, I think renaming to Women Helicopter pilots is suitable and appropriate. There is currently a lack of categories on Wikipedia to suitably identify/locate topics/persons related to women's aviation. The current categories make it difficult to find these aviation pioneers, which are few and worthy of inclusion in a category as it is a defining characteristic. This is why I developed the category in the first place. Thank you for the measured discussion here. Nayyn (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- While there are categories for female aviators, gyro and rotor pilots have different certifications compared to fixed wing pilots and thus it is a unique and defining category. There are comparatively few women who are helicopter pilots overall, and a category specifically for helicopters is particularly useful addition to Wikipedia. Nayyn (talk) 23:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- as per WP:USEFUL
[t]here are some pages within Wikipedia that are supposed to be useful navigation tools and nothing more—disambiguation pages, categories, and redirects, for instance—so usefulness is the basis of their inclusion; for these types of pages, usefulness is a valid argument
Nayyn (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)- No, "useful" is entirely subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- as per WP:USEFUL
- While there are categories for female aviators, gyro and rotor pilots have different certifications compared to fixed wing pilots and thus it is a unique and defining category. There are comparatively few women who are helicopter pilots overall, and a category specifically for helicopters is particularly useful addition to Wikipedia. Nayyn (talk) 23:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, I think renaming to Women Helicopter pilots is suitable and appropriate. There is currently a lack of categories on Wikipedia to suitably identify/locate topics/persons related to women's aviation. The current categories make it difficult to find these aviation pioneers, which are few and worthy of inclusion in a category as it is a defining characteristic. This is why I developed the category in the first place. Thank you for the measured discussion here. Nayyn (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, not a defining characteristic and women can be easily traced in Category:Women aviators by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or rename?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)- I don't agree that "women can be easily traced in Category:Women aviators by nationality." I think the suggestion to "keep and rename to Category:Women helicopter pilots which would expand the scope of the category" makes sense.
- I'm not sure what the argument "not a defining characteristic" refers to above? Nayyn (talk) 00:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Non-defining is a keep tennet of Wikipedia:Categorization. @Nayyn, I strongly encourage you to familiarize yourself with the policies of categorization. Mason (talk) 12:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Organisations based in Macau[edit]
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Organisations based in Macau to Category:Organizations based in Macau (over redirect)
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Defunct organisations based in Macau to Category:Defunct organizations based in Macau
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Organisations based in Macau by subject to Category:Organizations based in Macau by subject
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Medical and health organisations based in Macau to Category:Medical and health organizations based in Macau
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Sports organisations of Macau to Category:Sports organizations of Macau
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Youth organisations based in Macau to Category:Youth organizations based in Macau
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Non-profit organisations based in Macau to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Macau
- Propose renaming REDIRECT Category:Naturalised citizens of Macau to Category:Naturalized citizens of Macau
- Propose merging Category:Macau voluntary organisations to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Macau
- Propose merging Category:Scouting and Guiding in Macau to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Macau, Category:Youth organizations based in Macau and Category:Scouting and Guiding by country
- Nominator's rationale: Subcats use a mixture of -s- and -z- spelling; seven others currently use z. There is no reason to use the -s- spelling in Macau, diverging from the international default -z-. The voluntary orgs cat is non-standard and an unnecessary layer, and the Scouting and Guiding cat holds only one article. – Fayenatic London 16:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and merge all per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:RETAIN. There is no "international default". Categories use a mix of 'z' and the Commonwealth English standard 's'. So the nomination is based on an entirely false premise. Note also that we have Category:Organisations based in Portugal (Macau was a Portuguese colony) and, of course, Category:Organisations based in Hong Kong, in case anyone claims that 'z' is standard in China and we should change all categories to match. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator explicitly mentioned there is a mix of s and z so there is no false premise. Since China consistently uses a z that is a good reason to use z in Macao too. Hong Kong presumably is a different case with a consistent use of s. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly you misunderstood my comment.
There is no reason to use the -s- spelling in Macau, diverging from the international default -z-.
The claim that there is an international default is the clear false premise. There is none, either on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Hong Kong uses 's' because it was a British colony. Macau was a Portuguese colony and our Portuguese categories also use 's'. What the other Chinese categories use is irrelevant when relating to these two cities because of their very different origins. I do wish editors would stop claiming that the way Americans do things is some sort of international standard. It is not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)- Ok, "international standard" may a bit too much. It is both standard American English and accepted in British English though. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly you misunderstood my comment.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WP:RETAIN is a fairly compelling argument; is there a reason to ignore it / a reason it does not apply here?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sandžak[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Regional name Sandžak is apparently hardly in use anymore. Even the articles in the history subcategory hardly mention it. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:26, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Considering Sandžak is very small area of Serbia, there is really not that much to write but it deserves to have a separate category. I'm not sure if there are rules involved as in how many articles should category have in order to even be considered but I believe that the amount written so far is good enough to keep it. Боки ☎ ✎ 07:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Size isn't the issue here, WP:DEFINING is. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is it defining?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional illeists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 19#Category:Fictional illeists then undeleted out of process. Still seems non-defining. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G4. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- G4 doesn't fit, as it was undeleted via Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion rather than recreated. --HPfan4 (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is still out of process. WP:DRV would have been the right forum. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would still support deletion per WP:TRIVIALCAT. I just don't see this as a defining characteristic. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- G4 doesn't fit, as it was undeleted via Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion rather than recreated. --HPfan4 (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G4. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: the characteristic is defining enough to be covered by and discussed in reliable sources (see, for example, Mantis (Marvel Comics), Elmo, Hercule Poirot). See also the discussion of Category:Illeists. --HPfan4 (talk) 22:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is a defining trait, and often discussed in sources. Dimadick (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:EBU stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category and template, newly created to hold just one article. As always, stub categories are not free for just any user to create on a whim for just one article of interest -- the minimum bar for the creation of a stub category is 60 articles, and for that very reason stub categories should normally be proposed for creation by Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting rather than just getting created willy-nilly.
But the parent category ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:European Broadcasting Union has just 14 articles in it of which only two are short enough that tagging them as stubs would be justifiable -- so really the only possible source of any significant amount of content for this is the ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Eurovision events subcategory, but ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Eurovision Song Contest stubs and {{Eurovision-stub}} both already exist to cover that off, and the one article that's been filed here already had that on it, thus making this entirely redundant to another stub template and category that we already have. Bearcat (talk) 21:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat and LaundryPizza03: what do you envision happening with the stub template {{EBU-stub}}? Deleted? Made to feed into Category:Eurovision Song Contest stubs? Something else? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just deleting it would be fine with me, though I'm not averse to repurposing it if somebody's got actual ideas for how it could become useful... (I can attest only that it isn't needed on the one article it's actually on, since that's already tagged as a Eurovsion stub, but I can't swear on pain of death that there aren't other more valid places for it to be used.) Bearcat (talk) 01:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Films directed by Wayne Kramer (filmmaker)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Needless disambiguation. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Independent film stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Stub category and template that have likely outlived their usefulness. As always, the core purpose of stub categories is to facilitate expanding and improving the stubs enough that they can be pulled out of the stub categories -- so the most useful stub categories are ones that correspond to a community of editors with some expertise in the subject area, who can therefore collaborate on expanding the articles. But there isn't any particular community of independent film experts -- editors' areas of expertise are going to centre around countries and/or genres rather than indie status per se.
That is, there are editors who work on American films regardless of their major vs indie status, and editors who work on Japanese films regardless of their major vs indie status, and editors who specialize in science fiction films regardless of their major vs indie status, and on and so forth, but there aren't really any editors whose area of expertise is "independent films irrespective of country or genre".
This was certainly a good faith creation at the time, when we had far fewer articles about films and far fewer stub categories to group them in -- but the stub category tree is now so much more deeply granularized that this just doesn't represent a particularly useful characteristic to group stubs on anymore, because we have many more stub categories for much more specific and collaborative country and genre and time period groupings than we had in 2006.
I've already gone through the category to ensure that each article also has genre and/or nationality film stub templates on it as well, so nothing will be stranded if it goes, but it's just not at all clear that indie status is nearly as useful a basis for collaboration as the country and genre tags are. Bearcat (talk) 15:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:People from the Savoyard state[edit]
- Propose merging Category:People from the Savoyard state to Category:People from Savoy
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: not very overlapping, there is quite a difference between the duchy of Savoy in the Holy Roman Empire, the "extended" Savoyard State which largely consisted of current Piedmont in Italy, and two French departments with Savoie in their name, Savoie and Haute Savoie. The category tree is quite messy but this is not the way to solve it. Perhaps a better alternative is to convert Category:People from Savoy to a disambiguation page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I worry that making People from Savoy a disambiguation page might make it even messier. So would the FOOian century people from Savoy catergies need to be rearranged as well. I'm open to alternative solutions that tidy up this mess. Is Savoyard State really the term we should be using at all? Because it seems not be a nationality from my skimming of the category.Mason (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that the centuries need to be renamed. It is a composite state, comparable to the Crown of Aragon and the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I worry that making People from Savoy a disambiguation page might make it even messier. So would the FOOian century people from Savoy catergies need to be rearranged as well. I'm open to alternative solutions that tidy up this mess. Is Savoyard State really the term we should be using at all? Because it seems not be a nationality from my skimming of the category.Mason (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Dobrujan Tatar[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category. It only has two articles: Dobrujan Tatar and Dobrujan Tatar alphabet. Everything can be included in the parent Category:Crimean Tatar language, as Dobrujan Tatar is a dialect of it (and the page on the dialect already includes this category). Super Ψ Dro 23:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Surely merge, but I am not certain of the Crimean Tatar target. If that is correct, then the article should be revised in order to make it more clear. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- It might sound confusing due to the geographic names but the Crimean Khanate once extended beyond Crimea and its population was semi-nomadic from what I understand. Dobrujan Tatar is a dialect of the Crimean Tatar language, this has been discussed already at Talk:Dobrujan Tatar. Super Ψ Dro 10:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I had not checked ths talk page. From what I understand of the discussion, the merge target should be Category:Kipchak languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, it has been not. We are not linguist at all. I, as a speaker of this language, disagree with it. The situation of this language is not clear!!!! Maybe you hear "it's a dialect" from somewhere and act with own knowledge, this is not a solution. The language is in discussion by SIL, and they noticed that the language is different than Crimean Tatar. The discussions are in progress. Zolgoyo (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: do you agree with the merge target Category:Kipchak languages instead? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I do not understand why it needs to be merged? What's the problem of the category? There are so many categories based on language, variant, dialect etc. And the category is about "Dobrujan Tatar" and not about any other topic, how do you want to compress this category into another category? Zolgoyo (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: the problem is that the category adds zero value to navigation. The two articles are already directly interlinked. When a reader wants to find more related articles (which is the purpose of categories) the next most related topic is Kipchak languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, how do you know that there won't be more pages on this topic? Secondly, this is not the only category in this situation. Each category proliferates and expands at its own pace. Why we need to close this category by making such an extremist move? Zolgoyo (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- We can always recreate the category if there are going to be more articles. And no, this is not extremist, this happens all the time. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, how do you know that there won't be more pages on this topic? Secondly, this is not the only category in this situation. Each category proliferates and expands at its own pace. Why we need to close this category by making such an extremist move? Zolgoyo (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: the problem is that the category adds zero value to navigation. The two articles are already directly interlinked. When a reader wants to find more related articles (which is the purpose of categories) the next most related topic is Kipchak languages. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I do not understand why it needs to be merged? What's the problem of the category? There are so many categories based on language, variant, dialect etc. And the category is about "Dobrujan Tatar" and not about any other topic, how do you want to compress this category into another category? Zolgoyo (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zolgoyo: do you agree with the merge target Category:Kipchak languages instead? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- It might sound confusing due to the geographic names but the Crimean Khanate once extended beyond Crimea and its population was semi-nomadic from what I understand. Dobrujan Tatar is a dialect of the Crimean Tatar language, this has been discussed already at Talk:Dobrujan Tatar. Super Ψ Dro 10:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Merge target?
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