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A fact from Occultism in Nazism appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 July 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Germanenorden had an early influence on mysticism in Nazi Germany?

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Not a very informative article

This article is mainly about the historiography of Nazi occultism but doesn't actually discuss it. It hardly provides any actual details on things like Wewelsburg, the Anenherbe, the influence of folkisch mysticism on Nazi ideology, the Thule Society etc. Rather the article seems to be more interested in discrediting the idea that Hitler was a sorcerer with real magical powers or something, which is kind of silly given that its rather obvious that he didn't have magical powers. I mean, sure, Hitler didn't actually commune with the dark forces and the Nazi party wasn't secretly run by shadowy mystical cults but he and many other Nazis still believed in various occult ideas to varying degrees but this article doesn't mention any of that. 123.243.215.92 (talk) 14:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is also an article called Nazi Esotericism, perhaps a merge would help? 142.134.74.139 (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A merge with Nazi Esotericism wouldn't be right, since that page is now Esoteric Nazism and focuses specifically on modern esotericist interpretations of Nazi ideology. This page does need some serious work - the focus is misdirected IMO and makes it really unclear whether we're talking about conspiracy theories alleging secret control of the Nazi party or about actual crossover between occultist belief systems and Nazism in Nazi Germany. I would argue that we should focus on the latter. I made some attempts at cleaning up the first section, but there's a lot more to be done, and the lead should be rewritten entirely. --AvrahamHerschel (talk) 19:43, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The best source I've found on the topic is Hitler's Monsters but Erich Kurlander (available in book and audiobook form) which unlike many other books and documentaries takes a strictly academic perspective. I only have it in audiobook form, making citing it a bit difficult, but for those that want to put in the work it stands far above all I've yet found and well worth the time of any serious historian. A quick glance at his wiki should be enough to prove his qualifications. Full title and ISDN: Hitler's Monsters: A Supernatural History of the Third Reich. Yale University Press, New Haven, 2017. ISBN 9780300189452 - Aeonfluxus 11:01, 15 May 2024 (GMT-4)

Before the NSDAP was a political party, it was an occult organization

I am shocked that there is NO mention in this article of the Thule Society, which mutated into the Nazi Party. The fact that this organization, along with Dietrich Eckhart (the man who mentored Hitler and gave him his education in politics, without which his rise to power would never have been possible) are never even mentioned greatly detracts from this article's credibility and usefulness. This is an embarrassing omission that should be corrected ASAP. Thanks! :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:9C81:5D00:0:0:0:44FE (talk • contribs)

WP:RS ? - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article actually has two mentions of the Thule society and an external link, so I'm not sure what your complaint is about. - - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alleister Crowley: a modernist freemason, but also linked to the third reich?!

Since when are masons, being mostly known as a holocaust victim group, now weirdly also involved in the third reich?!

Also, just as weird is even Puzzle and Dragons Z. It involves the polytheism from racial discriminators, even humanists, but also promasonic elements such as nondogmatic and nonenigmatic (you are beating Enigma and Dogma into absolute oblivion without actual included replayability). Even a Crowley named monster is in the game ...

See, it is so weird to play games like this one nowadays. --82.207.238.113 (talk) 02:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hitler and Paganism 2A02:8109:1040:29C0:7D77:D556:9095:8CD0 (talk) 05:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Esoteric Nazism

I don't see how the topics are substantially different. I'd suggest merging the Esoteric Nazism here (18 vs 9 interwikis), and also renaming this article (the term "Occultism in Nazism" does not exist in GS, "Esoteric Nazism" does and could be retained after merge but Nazism and the Occult might be better (not sure if occult should be capitalized?). Such a title would be more clear, and it is the same as of this academic artiocle. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]