Talk:Sega Saturn

Source

• https://web.archive.org/web/19970606034540/http://www.next-generation.com:80/news/011497a.chtml
• http://web.archive.org/web/20000312083957/http://headline.gamespot.com/news/97_05/15_belt/index.html

Sonic Xtreme

"Sega tasked the U.S.-based Sega Technical Institute (STI) with developing the first fully 3D entry in its popular Sonic the Hedgehog series."

Technically, the first 3D Sonic was the fighting game made by AM2. Maybe change it to stay first fully 3d platformer entry?

Mortal Kombat 3

"Stolar, who had arranged a six-month PlayStation exclusivity deal for Mortal Kombat 3[103] "

Mortal Kombat 3 wasn't timed exclusive, it came out on Mega Drive and Super Nintendo and the PlayStation version was published by Sony themselves. It's possible the Sony agreement meant no port of Mortal Kombat 3 on 3DO, Jaguar and Saturn - but in that case it could mention it being a 32-bit exclusive deal.

Pretty subjective to be an "encyclopedic article"

"Although the Saturn is remembered for several well-regarded games, including Nights into Dreams, the Panzer Dragoon series and the Virtua Fighter series, its reputation is mixed due to its complex hardware design and limited third-party support. Sega's management has been criticized for its decisions during the Saturn's development and discontinuation."

"its reputation is mixed due to" I'd like to see this phrase IN ALL SONY CONSOLES articles. Will not happen, of course. Not for being false. Sony consoles, specially the first 2 generations, have historically linked its giant success to its massive piracy in, at least, SOME important markets. Any word about that in Playstation articles? NO.

"Sega's management has been criticized for its decisions during the Saturn's development and discontinuation."

yeah, well, I DO NOT remember SEGA being criticised during the development of the Saturn and the firsts months or even year of the system. On the contrary. But, I suppose you can always wrote what the hell you want, following a script made by Sony... fans? Or perhaps executives?

Perhaps Wikipedia is not a Encyclopedia, but just a pamphlet to create its own history in everything, being stupidly partisan? Perhaps.

79.157.48.72 (talk) 22:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you have any constructive suggested changes to this article? Sergecross73 msg me 23:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Very poor article

This is full of misinformation unfortunately, the designer of the Saturn himself has already debunked the information from Next Generation Magazine and such. The Saturn did not have a second VDP added to it, it had a second CPU added to it along with a few other things that have yet to be expanded upon.

Genesis sales in North America nosedived at the end of 1994 and the SNES had a big resurgence and started to dominate the 16-bit market. We know from internal reports that Sega of America overproduced Genesis games and demand from retail dried up, leaving them stuck with warehouses of unsold stock which had to be written off, and consoles that had to be sold to Majesco at rock bottom prices.

Yuji Naka himself states that he never gave any ultimatum about Sonic Xtreme and that this is a lie. etc etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23CC:B4A9:FC01:71B9:A4A:AE74:3464 (talk • contribs)

Feel free to provide reliable sources for specific changes you'd like to make. Sergecross73 msg me 12:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Commercial failure?

Is it fair to say in the intro "At 9.26 million units sold worldwide, the Saturn is considered a commercial failure"? This would only be accurate from a US/Western perspective and doesn't comply with WP:GLOBAL. In Japan, which by the way was the largest video gaming market at that time, this console was not a commercial failure at all. This should be changed to clarify that it was a failure specifically in the NA/Western market but not as a global rule. Sceeegt (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

It certainly did better in Japan, but I've never seen reliable sources commentary refer to it as something like a commercial success, no. Sergecross73 msg me 20:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Then wouldn't that also not make it a commercial failure either? The way it's written now makes it sound like a uniform global failure, which would only be applicable to something like the Jaguar. Sceeegt (talk) 21:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Er...do we really not have any sources calling the Saturn a failure in Japan? Or just in a worldwide context? I find that hard to believe... Sergecross73 msg me 21:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Well I haven't come across sources stating that ("in Japan"). By the way there already exist sources about the Nintendo 64 being a commercial failure in Japan yet that article always had a more positive intro all because of the US-centric point of view. This article needs the global balance as well. Sceeegt (talk) 22:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, I don't believe there's any shortage of sources calling the Saturn a failure in a general sense, so it's really up to you to find sources that commonly describe its Japanese release differently.

Additionally, this is a WP:FA, the highest rating a Wikipedia article can get. That doesn't mean "perfect", but it's been extensively written and reviewed. The N64 has no such rating, so it's not particularly something to aspire to. Not that it matters. They're also very different platforms with different situations . We don't need absolute parity between articles with labels used necessarily, we just need to make sure we accurately depict what reliable sources said about each respective console. We need to WP:STICKTOSOURCE more than anything. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, sources overwhelmingly describe it as a commercial failure. (And rightly — Saturn was successful in Japan, but Sega needed it to be successful in the west too.) Popcornfud (talk) 11:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Again that doesn't take WP:GLOBAL into account. The commercial failure is stated by the English-language sources we know but it usually doesn't have a global perspective. Sceeegt (talk) 12:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

If you can produce some reliable secondary sources (in any language) to support your position then we can take a look. Popcornfud (talk) 12:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

You're not taking WP:V into account - the most basic of things we must follow on Wikipedia. You need sources to support your stance. Probably multiple to avoid falling afoul of WP:FRINGE. WP:VG/S has a massive list of sources commonly deemed usable or unusable. That may aid your search. Sergecross73 msg me 13:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)