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Discussion for Today

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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_September_13


September 13

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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People of Middle Eastern descent

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Nominator's rationale: Follow-up of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 27#Category:Middle Eastern diaspora. I have already manually merged and redirected many Middle Eastern descent categories into West Asian descent categories. Only now have I realized that their history may also need to be merged. Below is the list --Sakakami (talk) 09:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Manually merged
  • Comment – I understand the rationale, but I find this proposal and the previous ones that went through with very little discussion quite odd. "Middle Eastern" is a far more common term than "West Asian". Is there a reason we need to go that way instead of the reverse? If there are countries in West Asia that don't fit into the Middle East, is it necessary to group every country into a region for ancestry? Mclay1 (talk) 12:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mclay1 – We have categories for Category:People of Central Asian descent, Category:People of East Asian descent, Category:People of South Asian descent and Category:People of Southeast Asian descent. While both Middle East and West Asia are somewhat imprecise, West Asia aligns better with the existing geographic categorization. Middle East is a political term that has changed frequently depending on political and historical contexts, whereas 'West Asia' is a more consistent geographical term. It excludes most of Egypt and the northwestern part of Turkey, while including the southern part of the Caucasus. Additionally, 'West Asia' is arguably a more neutral term; for example, see the WANA Institute in Jordan. Sakakami (talk) 13:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those other Asian regions are common terms, whereas "West Asia" is basically a term created to fill the gap and replace the Middle East for the reasons you mentioned. While that might make sense for geography, I'm not sure it makes sense for ancestry. I doubt many people would consider themselves to be "West Asian" as opposed to Middle Eastern. It feels like we're inventing our own classification system just for the sake of having neat subcategories rather than reflecting outside usage. Mclay1 (talk) 13:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion on merge direction would be appreciated :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Readers

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Nominator's rationale: Only one actual page in here. The other is a re-direct. The name is extremely vague. Mason (talk) 00:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus seems to favor a change, but what exactly that change should be needs further discussion. Should this category's contents be merged elsewhere, or should the category be deleted? Should a redirect be kept, should it become a {{category disambiguation}}, or should it become a red link?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Lahoma, Oklahoma

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Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Endemic Fauna by Country

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Nominator's rationale: Current subcategories can be split even further with a subcategory Category:Endemic Moth Species of (insert country) as a majority of the species listed in these subcategories are moths. --YourAverageWeeb (talk) 19:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Multiplayer vehicle operation games

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Nominator's rationale: current category name does not reflect actual category purpose at all; "multiplayer" can also mean the more general sense of games with several players. it is vital to change the title, to show some indication of the actual category definition and scope,as being focused on vehicle games with cooperative control, by several players. Sm8900 (talk) 19:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Civic nationalism

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Nominator's rationale: delete, it is not a defining characteristic of particular political parties. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Topical postage stamps

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Nominator's rationale: Merge all; these categories have three or less items. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2020–2021 Minneapolis–Saint Paul racial unrest

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Nominator's rationale: rename per main article title. This is not a case of speedy because the parent category is discussed below. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2020–2021 United States racial unrest

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Nominator's rationale: to align the category's title and scope with the main article United States racial unrest (2020–present). 1857a (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's proposal?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Originally closed as split; requested by Marcocapelle that I relist the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have just created separate year categories, at least for 2020 and 2021, and these year categories are perfectly fine. But there are also 5 articles and a subcategory that span multiple years, so there is no reason to delete Category:2020–2021 United States racial unrest after the year categories have been created. Note that "split" in CfD jargon means "diffuse, then delete". In this case Category:2020–2021 United States racial unrest is perfectly fine as a parent of the new year categories and for the 5 articles and subcategory that span multiple years. In short: diffuse ok, delete not needed. The only thing I would still change is rename to 2020–2023 or to 2020s. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By-state law citation templates

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Nominator's rationale: Single member categories for templates which impede navigation. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:01, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Critics of Black Lives Matter

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Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OPINIONCAT. Their opinions on this particular social movement are non-defining in the vast majority of cases. User:Namiba 16:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brazilian footballers at FC Shakhtar Donetsk

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Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining intersection of traits. While we do have general "[Nationality] expatriate sportspeople in [Other Country]" categories, we do not have any established scheme of microcategorizing them for each specific individual team they may have played for in that other country. Bearcat (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Weather events with particularly dangerous situation watches

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Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining characteristic. A "particularly dangerous situation watch" is just wording that the Weather Service sometimes uses when it sends out a weather alert, so the weather events themselves are not defined by whether the National Weather Service used those particular words or not. Bearcat (talk) 15:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral – to be honest, I had created the category because the draft: list of particularly dangerous situation watches wasn’t going anywhere. I’m not going to oppose deletion on this, but I’m not necessarily going to give my explicit support for it either. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 15:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that’s coming from the one who created the category. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 15:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to ask though. If this does get deleted; can the deleting administrator please salt the title? Because at least one other person wanted to create the category including @GeorgeMemulous. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 17:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Medical doctors in British media

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Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining intersection of unrelated traits. Medical doctors all over the world frequently appear as talking heads and experts in media coverage of health-related topics and/or moonlight as full-on health journalists themselves, so this would be entirely subjective and unmaintainable: should it contain every medical doctor who has ever appeared in media at all, or is there some specific and arbitrary minimum number of media appearances that a medical doctor has to make before they belong in this category?
So "medical doctors in media" is not a defining intersection of traits in its own right, meaning that no Category:Medical doctors in media parent or "Medical doctors in [Any Other Country] media" siblings exist at all, and Britain doesn't have any special need for this if no other country has such a thing. Bearcat (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities formerly served by Chicago and North Western

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Nominator's rationale: Categories for a non-defining characteristic. Per longstanding consensus, we do not categorize cities for their geographic location on railroad lines that serve(d) them -- and if we don't categorize them for current railroad lines, we obviously shouldn't categorize them for former railroad lines either. Absolutely no other "Cities formerly served by X" categories exist at all but these two, and the category system is not The Book of Lists, where you can just use them to create a list of absolutely anything you want a list of: we categorize things by their defining characteristics, not by every individual characteristic they might happen to possess. Bearcat (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:J. D. Souther albums

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Nominator's rationale: https://www.jdsouther.net/bio states "Please note that John David Souther is professionally known as JD Souther (not J.D. Souther)." GoingBatty (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Economy of the Empire of Brazil

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Nominator's rationale: WP:C2F. Only contains main article Economy of the Empire of Brazil, which is already in Category:Economies by former country. NLeeuw (talk) 13:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Association football paintings

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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: what is the minimum number of articles required for a category, and which guideline specifies this? Cnbrb (talk) 12:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per various previous discussions, five or six are considered ok, or fewer if there is very clear "potential for growth". No doubt someone has links. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnbod, I did check before nominating the category. There really aren't many articles on sports paintings, most of which are wrestling or boxing. There are a few of rugby football ones but not more association football ones. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Party lists

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Nominator's rationale: Party lists are also lists of candidates. The distinction between the two categories isn't apparent and thus makes it harder to find similar lists in other countries. Dajasj (talk) 05:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Shades of black

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Nominator's rationale: A black horse is not a shade of color, but color black is a defining characteristic of black horses. (BTW: we should do similarly for other subcats in Category:Shades of color, so that one could properly categorize fauna and flora notably associated with particular colors.) fgnievinski (talk) 03:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bishops of the Catholic Patriotic Association

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Nominator's rationale: Consistent with main category and Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association Amigao (talk) 02:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:African computer businesspeople

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Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse this occupation by continent until it's diffused by nationality Mason (talk) 00:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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