Talk:Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric

Split proposal

The content in "Anti-gay themes" should probably be separated. I have suggested Anti-LGBT trope as analogous to Antisemitic trope, but I don't know if this is the best article title. But the current article seems to have too much of a detailed list on specific anti-gay tropes/themes/rhetoric, rather than a broad overview of the topic, and I think would benefit from a split. I'll inform WP:LGBT of the proposal for further eyes on this article. GnocchiFan (talk) 15:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't like "trope" singular at all. These are multiple themes/tropes here. (I think the same mistake has been made with Antisemitic trope.) Splitting out that whole section would leave the article with little coverage of specific anti-gay rhetoric and would make the coverage of anti-trans rhetoric look disproportionate, which is isn't at all. For that reason I'm not keen on a split. It is not like the article is huge at the moment. What the article could do with is more coverage of anti-bi/pan rhetoric and possibly also sections on the hate that asexual and aromantic people get, which is truly a bizarre phenomenon. Maybe also the anti-gay stuff should do more to cover specific rhetoric aimed at lesbians and at gay men. We don't want to lose the common threads here but the rhetoric is adapted for each target group and that needs to be covered, preferably all in one place. DanielRigal (talk) 18:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I am leaning agree with split, but it should be split into "Anti-gay rhetoric" or "Anti-gay arguments" or something similar. Zenomonoz (talk) 03:45, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Conflation with child abuse

What is the purpose of the span class anchor? Is it being used?

With regards to {{See above}}: "Neutral cross-references, e.g. (See also Cymric cat.), are permissible (and best done with the {{crossreference}} template), but are often best reworded (The Cymric cat is a recent breed developed from the Manx.).". Simply telling people to look above is a bad way of explaining the situation. Iterresise (talk) 21:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Section links are a useful way to direct readers to relevant information without unnecessary repetition on the same page, and serve to bind the project together into an interconnected whole. I'm unsure how we would tell whether the link were being used or not, but simply being being unused or unnecessary is not really an argument to omit the link. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

And what about the span class anchor? Is it being used? It's better to remove it if it isn't. Iterresise (talk) 08:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Why? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:31, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I can be confusing for new editors. Iterresise (talk) 06:56, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is designed to inform readers, not for the convenience of editors. Many sections in the article have hidden anchors using <span> tags as suggested per WP:ANCHOR: "Anchors are also used when renaming a section, yet still allowing links to the old name to function".

Since the section was only recently renamed, there may be links both on and off Wiki pointing to the old section title; omitting the anchor would break those links causing link rot. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Now there's a new problem: how long will it take until something is no longer recent and allowed to be removed? Iterresise (talk) 21:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Until no other links (including on archived pages) exist pointing to the old section title. If you are confused by the use of HTML in section markup you can refer to Template:Anchor, switch to VisualEditor, or ask for assistance at the help desk. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Sdb, thanks for holding down the fort and being the good-faith responder here, patiently trying to answer their questions. In case you weren't aware of the backstory, they are now community banned; the ANI thread is here. Thanks again, Mathglot (talk) 07:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Legality and censorship section

This section just repeats what has already been said and is not expanded in a way that adds any usefulness to the article.

Its contents also doesn't seem to justify the use of the word censorship in the heading title. PitterPatter533 (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

"Anti-LGBTQ" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Anti-LGBTQ has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 13 § Anti-LGBTQ until a consensus is reached. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)