Talk:Melania Trump
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[edit]This sentence in the opening section erroneously names Trump, when it presumably meant Melania:
Trump grew up in Slovenia (then part of Yugoslavia) and worked as a fashion model through agencies in the European fashion capitals of Milan and Paris, before moving to New York City in 1996. 2603:8000:3F01:90CD:1A1:427F:456E:F6A2 (talk) 13:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Trump, as in Melania's last name. Who else? Dimadick (talk) 14:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The article is very poorly written. Her main claim to fame is her being the wife of DJT. Using her last married name to identify her in the same article as using it for him is really poor writing.98.21.68.176 (talk) 02:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Pussy
[edit]I wonder what the editors were thinking when they claimed "pussy" means vagina?? ("grab them by the pussy - with pussy being slang for vagina") Only the anatomically clueless could believe that grabbing a woman "by her vagina" wouldn't result in serious injury. A quick search online shows the term is slang for (among other things) vulva or vagina and the editors made a pretty egregious blunder. Or perhaps their references did? I didn't track them down, because it is obviously wrong. I don't agree that anatomically pussy only refers to vulva or vagina. I've heard it used to refer to the female groin, crotch, and even pubic mound - as well as the vulva and vagina. I'd politely suggest if an editor doesn't know which part can be "grabbed" then HE (obviously a he) should refrain from editing that section. I do think that it's possible that Trump meant "grope" and used the more neutral term, grab, for that. What he meant exactly can't be known based on the tape. Certainly, it was intended to demean these women and it seems clear he was implying such an assault wouldn't be objected to.98.21.68.176 (talk) 02:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
NPOV problems
[edit]The intro of this article is written like a tabloid. "Her stepdaughter Ivanka Trump fulfilled some of the first lady's traditional duties, causing a rivalry between the two". Did either of them say this or is it just speculation? "She was a close advisor to her husband, the only person from whom he accepted frank advice, and he frequently asked her opinion". Again, how do you know that he never accepted "frank" advice from anyone else? This really needs to be fixed (I cannot edit because it is semi-protected) 151.124.107.86 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Final paragraph in intro
[edit]It seems to have zero sources or citations - some of these things I'd never heard before. Why is it there? 2601:14D:8B00:6000:E43B:A2CA:788C:70BB (talk) 00:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most articles actively aim to have zero references in the intro. It's supposed to be a summary of the rest of the article where references are provided. See MOS:LEADCITE. I'm not asserting that's always the case, or the case here, but you should revisit your question with this in mind. If you subsequently find some fault, then being specific helps. -- zzuuzz (talk) 00:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Policy to remove children from parents who are crossing illegally into the U.S
[edit]To claim that the "child separation policy" was Trump's is misleading and false. In fact, it was the policy during the Obama administration. It was President Trump who did away with that policy. Briceand4 (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sources? EvergreenFir (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Look into ATEP which Obama drastically increased in 2011. It's purpose was not to separate children from parents, just as Trump's policies were not meant to separate children, but when you prosecute adults coming over the border illegally that can be the result. With the huge increase in child trafficking over the border during the Biden administration, children should be separated and questioned to make sure the person they're with is family. Briceand4 (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- On Wikipedia, claims need to be supported by reliable sources—especially for contentious topics about living people, such as this. You would need to find publications from reputable authors and publishers that explicitly confirm the fact that you want to add. Right now, all of the facts in the article are supported by reliable sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Look into ATEP which Obama drastically increased in 2011. It's purpose was not to separate children from parents, just as Trump's policies were not meant to separate children, but when you prosecute adults coming over the border illegally that can be the result. With the huge increase in child trafficking over the border during the Biden administration, children should be separated and questioned to make sure the person they're with is family. Briceand4 (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nominator: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 22:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Edwininlondon (talk · contribs) 09:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
I am happy to review this. I will do it piecemeal. And if you don't mind, I might make the odd minor edit straight away, should I encounter one. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi Thebiguglyalien, here is the first batch of comments, Lead + 1st section:
- in the lead, is there a reason why second instance of fashion model is linked and not the first?
- she traveled to Milan and Paris to seek modeling work until --> because of the until, I read this as something that happened multiple times. Is that so? Or should it read "stayed"?
- she responded to the Access Hollywood tape --> how?
- Trump stayed in Manhattan for the first months of her tenure as first lady, allowing Barron to finish school and Melania --> first referring to her as Trump and then Melania does not work for me. I'd replace Melania with her
- 2018 saw several --> In 2018, she ... as per MOS:NUMNOTES
- Her father denied paternity of the boy, even after it was confirmed by a paternity test. --> source?
- As a child, Knavs and other children --> As a child, Knavs, like other children
- At the age of fifteen, Knavs moved to Ljubljana to attend the Secondary School for Design and Photography, attending the school until her graduation at nineteen.[19] She made the long commute from her hometown to the capital and back each day by train. --> so did she move or commute?
- who was on a scouting trip in Europe --> makes it look like this is about Trump. Some rejigging perhaps? Perhaps Knauss modeled for fashion houses in Paris and Milan, where in 1995 she met Metropolitan Models co-owner Paolo Zampolli, who was on a scouting trip in Europe.[13] Zampolli was a friend of her future husband Donald Trump. He became one of the few people who were involved in Knauss's life for a long time.
- Once she arrived in the United States --> Once she resided in the United States
- first major gig --> gig does not strike me as WP tone of voice. I may be wrong of course
- others in the industry have said rumors --> do we want to say this? Is this a place for rumors?
- at the time he had a reputation --> do we have reliable sources for this? Looks like quite a contentious statement, so we should be careful
- in the January edition of GQ magazine --> add the year
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