Talk:Donald III of Scotland

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Meaning of "the Fair"

Does "the Fair" mean "the just" or "the good looking" when applied to him? Could this be clarified in the article, please? /Ludde23 ^{Talk Contrib} 18:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Donald's Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article says this: "Some physical characteristic presumably gave rise to the Gaelic name Domnall Bán, meaning Donald the Fair, by which he was commonly known". In modern Scottish Gaelic bàn can mean: "white"; or "fair-haired"; or "pale". So I think his name must have had something to do with a light complexion or light-coloured hair.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

English or Scots-English

"Donald was chosen as king and expelled the English from the court". This peropd of history is tricky. The Anglic Lowlanders were 'English' to the Gaaelic speaking Scots (and probaly 'English to themselves too). The words 'English' and 'Scots' in this period refer as much to the language spoken as/or any nationality. Not only that, both England and Scotland were more collections of kingdoms than two distinct nation states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.12.183 (talk) 13:33, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Anybody know how to fix the infobox, so that it shows both reigns of Donald III? GoodDay (talk) 10:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Successor

I doubt that the successor to Donald III was Donald II? Dinderduck (talk) 08:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was Duncan II. Surtsicna (talk) 10:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

I have an idea to add his ancestry by using these sources:

Ancestors of Donald III of Scotland^[1]^[2]^[3]

8. Duncan, abbot of Dunkeld?

4. Crínán of Dunkeld^[1]^[3]^[5]

2. Duncan I of Scotland^[1]^[3]^[5]

20. Kenneth II of Scotland^[1]^[3]^[5]

10. Malcolm II of Scotland^[1]^[3]^[5]

5. Bethóc of Scotland^[1]^[3]^[5]

1. Donald III of Scotland^[1]^[3]^[4]

24. Estrid?

12. Bjorn Estridsen?

6. Siward, Earl of Northumbria?^[5]

3. Suthen (b. as Sibylla?)^[3]^[5]

7. Ælfflæd or Godgifu?

Sources:

Bernard Burke, Ashworth P. Burke. A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage. 1934
Oram, Richard; David: The King Who Made Scotland, (Gloucestershire, 2004).
Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall. Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: Lineages from Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Other Historical Individuals 2008. ISBN 0806317523, ISBN 9780806317526

Additional source:

Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm

References

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 161–162
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 10:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What other wikipedia's do is not relevant to what the rules are here on English wikipedia. In general, we are not a genealogical source - we should not aim to present genealogical information. See WP:NOTGENEALOGY. And unsourced information is also not acceptable - please do not introduce unsourced information. And you shouldn't combine unrelated sources to produce family trees - if the sources for a subject's life do not give a four or five generation ancestral tree, then per WP:UNDUE and WP:OR, we should not combine unrelated sources to produce information that sources about a subject do not consider important about that subject. For Donald - we should report what the high quality sources provide about his ancestry. The sources provided are not sources ABOUT David, they are genealogical reference books. That leaves aside the issue of using outdated sources like Burke's A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage or strictly genealogical sources like Weis (also - which edition of Weis is being referenced - there are 8 of them, after all.) Also - per this discussion, FMG (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy) is not a reliable source. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[<ref-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47

[2] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 161–162

[<ref1-3] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings

[4] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162

[<ref2-5] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161

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