Talk:Jewish ethnic divisions
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sub-ethnic groups of the Mizrahi Jews
[edit]there are no such a thing like "sub-ethnic groups of the Mizrahi Jews", for one reason for example East Caucasian and Georgian Jews are very close neighbours, but genetically they very diffrenet, where "Mountain" Jews much closer to Ashkenazim than to Georgian Jews. So why do you inventing "sub-ethnic groups of the Mizrahi Jews". I never heard or or read such a thing. I can use your weapon: show me at least one reference, please! http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html Dror Rosengarten. "Y Chromosome Haplotypes Among Members of the Caucasus Jewish Communities." Proceedings of the 6th International Conference on Ancient DNA and Associated Biomolecules, July 21-25, 2002. Abstract excerpt: "...buccal swab genomic DNA samples were collected from 51 unrelated males from the Mountain Jewish community and from 55 unrelated males from the Georgian Jewish community... Corresponding haplotype frequencies in other Jewish communities and among neighboring non-Jewish populations were derived from the literature. Based on a variety of genetic distance and admixture measures we found that majority of Kavkazi Jewish haplotypes were shared with other Jewish communities and were consistent with a Mediterranean origin. This result strengthens previous reports, which indicated a shared ancestral pool of genetic haplotypes for most contemporary Jewish communities. In the case of the Georgian Jewish samples, both Mediterranean and European haplotypes were found. This could indicate either a Mediterranean origin with a European genetic contribution or a European source with a Mediterranean contribution. Generally, Georgian Jews were found to be closer to European populations than to Mediterranean populations. Despite their geographic proximity, there was a significant genetic distance between the Mountain and Georgian Jewish communities, at least based on Y-haplotype analysis..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.16.221 (talk • contribs) (21:26, 30 June 2005)
Jews in Scotland
[edit]Jews in Scotland likely experienced a lot of freedom while Scotland experienced an enlightened era many sympathized with Jewish religious text especially to old testament I know for certain around 1690 Thomas Boston and his twelve disciples were fighting for removal of the old testament and for the free grace to be allowed to replace the law the argued that no requirements were in the Bible to be Christian except God free grace and and Jesus or the Bible itself and free grace would to the rest. However despite his actions he referenced to old testament many times in his work and never did he go against the Bible or his views of it while his ideas were rejected it can serve as an example to my experience many had names like Ebenezer or Israel or biblical names it's very rare to find a Scotsman who won't profess some part of the old testament or a love for Einstein and Scotland has never been one to chase of visitors unless the brandish weapons Scotland has never invaded or attacked another nation except in defense of others or themselves Jewish life likely would have been good amongst Scots from 1690 until WW2 compared to other places I've never seen a history as Scotland filled with so many Jewish names. However Scots have many whom enjoy their Freedoms Thomas Boston and his 12 were not punished are reprimanded although I doubt Thomas Bostons parish who only had one family who practiced at home the hillmen would have to tolerated it but never the less one can find many names straight out of the old testament more so than Israel perhaps historically I'll try to throw you a few bones. 2 of Thomas Bostons followers were Ebenezer Erskine, Portmoak; Ralph Erskine, Edith Cavell Young, Israel, Mathew John, Samuel, Elijah are some common names but let's not confuse the people with Jews the were Scots or Irishman living in Scotland they liked Jews plenty in the Bible and Einstein but these were poor people your Hollywood media types would not do well nor would property of the Crown however poor religious Jews would have thrived in my opinion and found friends everywhere again Scotland's never been conquered and never attacked anyone except in defense of others or themselves this is important to understand their nature I think only horses fought worked and died more for others than the Scots. 209.171.85.218 (talk) 21:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Samaritans of the Bible and times of Jesus
[edit]I know Samaritans said that the Jews of the temple were not of the 12 tribes they claimed the did not know were these people came from and they were like a law unto themselves the main difference was Jews prayed to the temple and considered it the holiest while Samaritans prayed to the mountain its claimed Samaritans didn't eat meat Jews did its claimed Samaritans did not keep animals in cages for sacrifice some claim they didn't some say rarely the Jews did the Samaritans welcomed Jesus the whole some Jews didn't, Samaritans didn't believe in interests I don't believe any other Jews did So when Jesus goes to the temple really I think this was Samaritan sympathy or At Least slightly and Samaritans followed the old ways the were sort of like pagan Jews but said nobody liked them or shared there views and the didn't know were they from although Jesus confirmed the temple he seemed to sympathetic because is his good treatment which he did not expect. 209.171.85.218 (talk) 22:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 12 August 2024
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Waqar💬 08:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Jewish ethnic divisions → Jewish subcultures – The current title implies that the listed divisions of Jews, such as the Ashkenazim and Sephardim, are distinct ethnic divisions or ethnicities unto themselves. This contradicts the way a majority of Jews self-identify, which is as one ethnoreligious group containing several diverse but largely aligned subcultures. Gaymarsrovers (talk) 22:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, 'Jewish subdivisions' reflects the way this page is linked to on the main Jews page. Gaymarsrovers (talk) 01:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- That could be interpreted as referring to a Jewish subdivision or administrative division. — BarrelProof (talk) 02:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose 'subculture' means something else—blindlynx 21:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per blindlynx, these are not subcultures and Jews aren't the only ethnic group with ethnic subdivisions (look at China). --Killuminator (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. -- Alexf(talk) 13:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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