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Generation 9/11 was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 28 December 2010 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Generation Z. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.
The contents of the Generation Alpha page were merged into Generation Z on 28 January 2016. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.
Generational labels are not firmly set and may change over time. However, the majority of sources generally place the start of Generation Z from the mid-1990s to the early 2000s. Notable sources that support a mid-1990s start include Stanford University and Mark McCrindle. Pew Research Center, on the other hand, begins Generation Z in the late 1990s. The U.S. Census Bureau uses 2001 as the starting year for Generation Z, aligning with their definition of Millennials spanning from 1982 to 2000. Given the significance of the U.S. Census Bureau's data, it is crucial to address the ongoing vandalism and strive for an objective consensus. Therefore, the most balanced starting date for Generation Z should be considered as mid-1990s to early 2000s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapartem (talk • contribs) 02:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you read the Date and age range sections of the Millennials article and this article, you'll find that Although the United States Census Bureau have said that "there is no official start and end date for when Millennials were born" and they do not officially define Millennials, a U.S. Census publication in 2022 noted that Millennials are "colloquially defined as the cohort born from 1981 to 1996" and In a 2022 report, the U.S. Census designates Generation Z as "the youngest generation with adult members (born 1997 to 2013)." Also, the "majority of reliable sources" do not "generally place the start of Generation Z" in the early 2000s; only a minority do and following WP:NPOV, we avoid giving WP:UNDUE weight to that viewpoint, especially in the lead. In contrast, most reliable sources use 1997 which is why "late 1990" is included in the lead. Some1 (talk) 11:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand how Stanford University isn't considered a reliable source. As I mentioned, we need to be objective on this matter. We should use the mid-1990s to late-1990s as the starting birth years for Generation Z on the leading page. A quick Google search for Generation Z shows a mix of pages starting in the late 1990s, some in the mid-1990s, and others in the 2000s. While we can disregard the sources that start in the 2000s, significant sources like Stanford University and Mark McCrindle start in the mid-1990s. Therefore, it's appropriate to maintain the mid- to late-1990s as the starting years for Generation Z on the lead page. Kapartem (talk) 13:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is also data from the international American consulting company McKinsey, which says that generation Z are those who were born from about 1995 to 2010; there is also the international Australian McCrindle research Center, according to which generation Z is defined as people born from 1995 to 2009. those who were born no earlier than 1995, which means that the approximate start of the birth dates of generations Z will be 1995, so this is all conditional. Georgii Valentinovich (talk) 09:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Different interpretations of the birth dates of generation Z: from 1995/2003 to 2009/2024.
Many reputable sociologists argue that the advent of the Internet and mobile communications is a global trend that has affected all countries. In addition to the data from the Pew Research Center (describing buzzers as born in 1997-2012), there are also data from the international American consulting company McKinsey, which names representatives of generation Z of people born from about 1995 to 2010 or the McCrindle International Research Center, according to which generation Z or buzzers are determined from 1995 to 2009. There is no single interpretation of the birth date of generation Z, but referring to all existing interpretations, generation Z (buzzers) are those who were born no earlier than 1995, which means that the approximate beginning of the birth dates of generations Z will be 1995. Georgii Valentinovich (talk) 09:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"with the generation generally being defined as people born from 1997 to 2012"
This phrase should be reconsidered because there is no universally agreed-upon or official definition of when Gen Z begins and ends. Instead of specifying a single range, the definition should present the various years commonly associated with Gen Z. This approach would better align with Wikipedia's commitment to neutrality and objectivity. Advocating for one specific range over others could be a result of bias, which we should avoid to ensure the most accurate representation of generational boundaries. However, I respect that others may see this differently.Kapartem (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe we should remove the entire statement "with the generation generally being defined as people born from 1997 to 2012" because it implies a consensus that doesn't exist. A quick search for Generation Alpha often shows the range as 2010-2024, which would place Gen Z from 1995-2009. Both ranges—1995-2009 and 1997-2012—are equally valid, and no single range should be favored over the other. To maintain neutrality and accuracy, it’s important that we reflect the diversity of views rather than endorsing one specific range.
I don't completely agree with this. "Generally" does imply a consensus which doesn't exist. But I think that "most frequently" or "most commonly" is supported by the citations in the Date and age range section (including the notes in that section). The argument based on Gen Alpha's start date is WP:SYNTHESIS. Dan Bloch (talk) 05:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kapartem I'm entirely fine with the change to 'most frequently' from 'generally'. Even though it places an emphasis on 1997-2012, it does at least demonstrate there are other definitions out there. Zillennial (talk) 01:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]