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Good articleFlorida State University has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
April 14, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
April 28, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 3, 2007Good article nomineeListed
September 11, 2009Good article reassessmentListed
Current status: Good article

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2024[edit]

In the second paragraph, change the sentence "Florida State University comprises 16 separate colleges and more than 110 centers, facilities, labs, and institutes that offer more than 360 programs of study, including professional school programs." to say "17 separate colleges" - the supplied link for reference now says 17 as opposed to 16. This is presumably from the Jim Moran College of Entrepreneurship becoming a college in 2019, Dedman School of Hospitality officially becoming a college in 2021, and then the colleges of Education and Human sciences combining to become the College of Education, Health, and Human Sciences last year. Lunsel (talk) 14:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2024 (2)[edit]

Under the "Student Government" Section, there are a few changes:

1. Change the last line in the first paragraph from "The university's student government currently operates on a yearly $13.79 million budget, one of the largest student government budgets in the United States." to "The university's student government operates on an annual budget based on $12.86 per credit hour taken by students every year, which comes out to about $14 million annually. In 2024, $1,189,132 was allocated toward the Student Government for spending, which shall increase by 4% every year until 2029; the rest goes toward the Division of Student Affairs to put toward the Student Union, Campus Recreation, and Student Engagement." per https://sga.fsu.edu/executive-pdf/A&S-Fee-Allocation-MOU-02.29.24.pdf and https://sga.fsu.edu/financial/sga_financial_manual_22_23.pdf (page 8 lists the $12.86 number). I believe this change more accurately reflects the budgetary procedures of SGA. If nothing else, the link ought to be updated either to the budget for the 23-24 FY or the 24-25 FY.

2. Under the second paragraph outlining the Executive Branch, there are now seven agencies following the addition of the Jewish Student Union in 2021, and four bureaus following the abolition of quite a few (the Center for Participant Education, the Student Council for Accessibility Advocacy, and the Office of Student Sustainability). My new proposed outline (with changes bolded) is "The student government executive branch is led by the student body president and includes the student body vice President, student body treasurer, seven agencies, four bureaus, and an executive cabinet." The change from "executive secretaries within the Executive Office of the President" to "executive cabinet" is to highlight the flexibility in the names of that cabinet from year-to-year for posterity, so we don't have to choose between changing it frequently or it being out of date/inaccurate.

3. The final sentences of the final paragraph, regarding the judicial branch, shall be changed from "The chief justice may appoint a marshal and clerk. The election commission is also composed of Florida State University College of Law students and it adjudicates all student government election complaints. The commission has five members, one of whom also serves as the commission chairman." to "The chief justice may appoint a marshal and clerk. The election commission and the supervisor of elections is composed of Florida State University students and it adjudicates all student government election complaints. The commission has six members, and shall be chaired by the supervisor of elections." per https://sga.fsu.edu/statutes/statutes.pdf (page 108 regards the criteria for SOE, of which being a law student is not one of them, page 111 designates them as the chair of the commission, and pages 111-112 has the Commission selection criteria, which does not require them to be law students).

Thank you! Lunsel (talk) 14:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll another editor weigh in on this request. In my opinion, the article has way too much detail about this group and most of it should be removed from the article. ElKevbo (talk) 23:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will go ahead and reduce this section a litte; it is overloaded with details about statutes and administrative structures .... this is not the place for that sort of thing. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 06:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with that, I figure that any information we do have ought to be up-to-date which is what this information was trying to do. Lunsel (talk) 16:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: The section is overloaded with too much details. Consider simplifying the proposal. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I intend on cleaning up the section shortened via @Melchior2006 at some point to be the most pertinent and up-to-date info (the information retained is a bit arbitrary) but haven't gotten around to it yet. It shouldn't be more than a paragraph. Lunsel (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This section contains far too much detail for a general article on Florida State. I suggest if you want this level of information connected to the main article, please write and connect a stub.Sirberus (talk) 14:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

Florida State University[edit]

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This article contains significant copying/close paraphrasing of non-free sources. I've removed some but more substantive rewriting appears warranted. Samples:

  • Article: "The Center for Advanced Power Systems is a multidisciplinary research center organized to perform basic and applied research to advance the field of power systems technology. CAPS' emphasis is on application to electric utility, defense, and transportation, as well as, developing an education program to train the next generation of power systems engineers. The research focuses on electric power systems modeling and simulation, power electronics and machines, control systems, thermal management, cyber-security for power systems, high temperature superconductor characterization and electrical insulation research. With support from the U.S. Navy, Office of Naval Research (ONR) and the U.S. Department of Energy, CAPS has established a unique test and demonstration facility with one of the largest real-time digital power systems simulators along with 5 MW AC and DC test beds for hardware in the loop simulation. The center is supported by a research team composed of researchers, scientists, faculty, engineers, and students, recruited from across the globe, with strong representation from both the academic/research community and industry"
  • Source: "The Center for Advanced Power Systems (CAPS) is a multidisciplinary research center organized to perform basic and applied research to advance the field of power systems technology. CAPS emphasis is on application to electric utility, defense, and transportation, as well as developing an education program to train the next generation of power systems engineers. The research focuses on electric power systems modeling and simulation, power electronics and machines, control systems, thermal management, cyber-security for power systems, high temperature superconductor characterization and electrical insulation research. With support from the U.S. Navy, Office of Naval Research (ONR) and the U.S. Department of Energy, CAPS has established a unique test and demonstration facility with one of the largest real-time digital power systems simulators along with 5 MW AC and DC test beds for hardware in the loop simulation. The center is supported by a research team comprised of dedicated and highly skilled researchers, scientists, faculty, engineers, and students, recruited from across the globe, with strong representation from both the academic/research community and industry."
  • Article: "Other marine stations maintained by Florida State University until 1954 included one at Mayport, on the St. Johns River near Jacksonville, which conducted research related to the menhaden and shrimp fisheries and oceanographic problems of the Gulf Stream and the mouth of the St. John's River, and one on Mullet Key at the mouth of Tampa Bay, which studied red tide. "
  • Source: "Other marine stations maintained by Florida State University until 1954 included one at Mayport, on the St. Johns River near Jacksonville, which conducted research related to the menhaden and shrimp fisheries and oceanographic problems of the Gulf Stream and the mouth of the St. John's River, and one on Mullet Key at the mouth of Tampa Bay which studied red tide."

The article also contains a number of other cleanup tags that should be addressed once the copying is fixed. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly explain why you removed this material:
In 1819, the Florida Territory was ceded to the United States by Spain as an element of the Adams–Onís Treaty.[1] The Territory was conventionally split by the Appalachicola or later the Suwannee rivers into East and West areas.
Since you appear to be from Canada and perhaps unaware (forgive me if this is incorrect), this material brings out important information about how and why the East and West Florida Seminaries came to be (these became the flagship universities of Florida State University and the University of Florida), and why Florida was divided by early leaders. This sentence accurately, referenced, and concisely illustrates the early view of Florida by both Federal and State leaders. Additionally, this historically relevant information is formative in Florida politics generally since higher education in Florida shows how Florida turned from a rough territory into what is now one of the fastest-growing states in the United States. Sirberus (talk) 14:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC) Sirberus (talk) 14:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am reviewing your changes and am generally fine with your revisions. You are making the article better - thank you! Wikipedia is a time suck, so it will take a while for me to make corrections and continue the review.Sirberus (talk) 14:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I rewrote the marine research article. Kindly advise if more is required. I will wait a few days for your response. If I don't hear from you I will remove the tag you placed and replace the sentence of discussion. Thanks again for improving the article!Sirberus (talk) 11:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunately the approach you're taking (in both cases) is not going to address the problem. The original was copied almost directly from an external source. Your revision creates a derivative work of that external content, which still can't be used. Wikipedia:Copyright_problems#Rewriting_content has some guidance on how to approach this instead. Note also that these are examples only, not a complete list. I've opened a CCI request concerning an editor who worked extensively on this and related articles. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good, let's hope the other editor can help. What I did was to rewrite the text based on my interpretation of the original. It was not a mere paraphrase, the personality of the original author is gone. I don't see that as derivative, as I relied on my education and experience. However, let's see what results from the skilled editor.
    You seem to have skipped over my first question - can we resolve that small matter? Thank you!Sirberus (talk) 14:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I removed it because the details of what treaty accomplished this are misplaced in this article. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Florida leaders of that era thought of Florida in east and west terms, resulting from the A-O Treaty. Congressional records show the desire for a "University of Florida" by reserving two townships in east and west Florida in 1836. The 1836 document was signed by Francis Eppes, among others, who later would be the mayor of Tallahassee and the first leader of the West Seminary, which evolved into what is known today as Florida State University, though it was also titled in state law the University of Florida in the post-Civil War period. This link may be a clearer to the origins of West-East Florida. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/florida. I think it makes sense to show why there were two seminaries and how the concept developed. The references to this are already in the history section of the article. Sirberus (talk) 15:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
May I ask why you removed “research university” from the first sentence of the page? This seems inconsistent with the style used on the pages for all other major research universities. TravelsWithCharley (talk) 17:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article Review (GAR) process - it appears we need to refresh ourselves with the GAR process:

Reassessment process Editors should discuss the article's issues with reference to the good article criteria, and work cooperatively to resolve them. The priority should be to improve articles and retain them as GAs rather than to delist them, wherever reasonably possible. If discussion has stalled and there is no obvious consensus, uninvolved editors are strongly encouraged to add a new comment rather than closing the discussion. If discussion becomes contentious, participants may request the assistance of GAR coordinators at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations. The coordinators may attempt to steer the discussion towards resolution or make a decisive close.

    • The delisting editor (Real4jyy) shows up and says the reason the delisting was made is that no additional edits were made in two weeks...while the two active editors were waiting for a subject matter expert in non-free material to contribute to the review. Pardon me, but I live in the real world, and Wikipedia is a low priority for me and others who want to make Wikipedia better. It may takes months to finish the work. Frankly, the pattern of this individual appears to be to move from one GA review to another and delist whatever falls under their cursor. That is absurd. It takes substantial work to bring an article to GA status. I suggest if any editor want the authority to delist a GA, they should at least bring an article to the GA standard first.Sirberus (talk) 10:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Nikkimaria Just to be clear, I see you are targeting a user's contributions, not this article. Your report to CCI covers many different additions and edits a single user made to perhaps as many as four or more different articles, related in some way to FSU. Let's simplify this to the article at hand - the other edits in other articles are beyond my concern at this time. Help me to identify what is a problem in the main FSU article. Then we can (or I can, your choice) correct the issues and AirshipJungleman29 can weigh in as I appreciate all the work he's done in Wikipedia (sans the snark). Sirberus (talk) 23:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        We should note that Good Article Nomination is not Good Article Reassessment. Once a Good Article, the effort is to preservation. Achieving GA status is not easy as you well know. I will not let it go if I can fix it.Sirberus (talk) 23:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • AirshipJungleman29 I will not sink the GA status of the article for the sake of the two questioned paragraphs. The two paragraphs can be deleted if indeed they are a violation of copyright, which I tend to doubt, absent some verification. And if we refer to GAR process we note that delisting is perhaps the last action to take, with emphasis first on correction and preservation. Out of respect for the process Nikkimaria started I was waiting for input.
        Nikkimaria, how are you determining the two questioned paragraphs are burdened? What process are you using? If I can corroborate that status, I will delete suspect material today. Or, shall we continue to wait? Sirberus (talk) 23:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm not sure what you mean by "burdened" here. I provided above sample comparisons showing copying between the article and external sources, and a link to a page that explains how to address that. I do want to emphasis though that these are samples only, not a comprehensive listing. Essentially at this point someone needs to go through the entire article to eliminate copied and closely paraphrased content, and unfortunately that's not a quick or easy process. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          Being burdened means having a problem. Let's start with your first concern - the two paragraphs you identified. Who is to judge when it's not a derivative work? Let's then clear the article by section. Once the initial concern is resolved, we can move to the top (lede) and work down. Sirberus (talk) 00:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If rewriting is to occur, that might be a good opportunity to shift lead-exclusive information into the body and handle the unsourced text scattered here and there. I've removed an odd paragraph stating the university was building generic university facilities and trying to make campus look visually appealing. CMD (talk) 02:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. I saw your edit and appreciate the culling. The article has accumulated much chaff over time and it is time to clean it up. Sirberus (talk) 02:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • FTR I've now requested a CCI for a second editor involved in this article. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the heads up. But that is not this article. I suspect copying and pasting text from other sources is common across Wikipedia especially among young editors, because it is easy. That's why preservation is important here, it took me a lot of work to collect sources and render referenced information for this work.Sirberus (talk) 11:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I found an online tool to detect plagiarism and tested it. In the last History section you deleted this text:
    By 1854 the City of Tallahassee had established a school for boys called the Florida Institute, with the hope that the State could be induced to take it over as a seminary. In 1856, Tallahassee Mayor Francis W. Eppes again offered the institute's land and building to the legislature. The bill to locate the Seminary in Tallahassee was signed by the Governor on January 1, 1857. On February 7, 1857, the first meeting of the Board of Education of the State Seminary West of the Suwannee River was held, and the institution began offering post-secondary instruction to male students. Francis Eppes served as the Seminary's Board of Education president for eight years.[2] In 1858 the seminary absorbed the Tallahassee Female Academy, established in 1843, and became coeducational.[3]
    The tool gives a percentage score to other sources. In the tool, it scores this as 43% matches an FSU source. I can seek permission of the university to use this and other material. But what percentage is acceptable? Can we agree to use this method to clean the work? Are you good with FSU giving permission in a fashion acceptable to Wikipedia?
    This as interesting history which I intend to correct and replace, however it evolves. Especially about the battle streamer earned by the cadets during the Civil War. What are your thoughts?Sirberus (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC) Sirberus (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    what percentage is acceptable? Unfortunately, there isn't one. Automated tools can be helpful for catching word-for-word copying of freely accessible English-language web sources. But they will frequently flag correctly marked appropriately sized direct quotes or proper names, and miss close paraphrasing or copying of less-accessible sources. This page has more details (focused on one such tool but generally applicable). Nikkimaria (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • In refreshing myself in this area, Wikipedia has many helpful references. I see straightforward ways to cure suspected non-free material in this article.
    * Delete the material.
    * Reference the material.
    * Rewrite the material.
    * Get permission to use the material.
    * Use a combination of the above, especially in the History section, where the material is so old copyrights have expired. Sirberus (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Referencing the material is a solution only where the material is so old copyrights have expired. If all of the affected sources are willing to freely license the content, that might be another. But failing that, the solution is delete and start again (not rewrite from the existing content). Nikkimaria (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am rewriting some sections of the history. It may be the easiest to deal with due to the age of the material. Fortunately, I have many of the the references on hand.Sirberus (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unfortunately not at this point - while great progress has been made on one CCI, there's at least one more that impacts this article. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      What user?Sirberus (talk) 02:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I was thinking of this one, but even that might not be the end of the story - the piece I removed today was not from either of those two CCIs. I should also note that in doing spotchecks, I'm running into a lot of cases where the citations given are not copied but also don't support the material they are claimed to. I'm not sure whether that's because a different source was used originally (as was the case for at least some of the copying), or whether uncited material was interspersed with cited. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      This article has picked up a lot of stuff over the years and was written mostly before Wikipedia copyvios were closely followed (before Wikipedia started trying to monetize things?). It has also been edited over time. The entire work should be checked. Back then, citations were manually entered, and citing material properly took a lot of work (remember Kate Turabian’s book? - lol). Today, there is an automated process that simplifies cites. I want to preserve GA status. It will be cleaned up one way or another. Sirberus (talk) 10:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Serial Set 4478 57th Congress, 2d session House Document 15, Part 2 map 14". 1820. p. 377. Archived from the original on December 13, 2013. Retrieved December 13, 2013.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference Official History of Florida State University was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ "Book Review: Gone with the Hickory Stick: School Days in Marion County 1845-1960" (PDF). The Florida Historical Quarterly. LV (3): 122. January 1977. Retrieved July 12, 2010.

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2024[edit]

Update the endowment to "$947 million (2023)".

[1] 73.245.27.220 (talk) 18:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a link to a reliable secondary source for that information? PianoDan (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NACUBO is *THE* preeminent source of college endowments. It's the same source used for the current endowment listed on the FSU wiki page, as well as numerous other universities on wiki.
https://www.nacubo.org/Research/2023/NACUBO-Commonfund-Study-of-Endowments 73.245.27.220 (talk) 17:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also requesting budget to be updated to $3 billion (2024).
https://news.fsu.edu/news/university-news/2024/06/20/fsu-board-of-trustees-approves-3-billion-operating-budget/
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/fsu-news/2024/06/21/fsu-board-of-trustees-approve-3-billion-2024-25-budget-biggest-ever/74161050007/ 73.245.27.220 (talk) 17:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://edge.sitecorecloud.io/nacubo1-nacubo-prd-dc8b/media/Nacubo/Documents/EndowmentFiles/2023-NCSE-Endowment-Market-Values-FINAL.xlsx
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