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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes. Please purge this page to view the most recent changes. |
Current list
[edit]Rush Limbaugh/Chicom
[edit]- Rush Limbaugh/Chicom → Chinese Communist Party (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Created in 2021, way after subpages in mainspace were deprecated. No idea of what navigation purpose this could plausibly serve, and it isn't linked from anywhere. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It was a phrase used on Rush Limbaugh's radio program in the late 1990s and that's pretty much it. Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 17:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Searching for the exact phrase finds exactly three hits, only one of them is unrelated to this redirect [1] from 2020 - and that doesn't use the exact phrase either (the URL contains "rush-limbaugh-chicom" which google thinks is identical). It's received 30 hits this year (but only 4 in 2023 and 11 in 2022) which is more than I was expecting, but even if people are seeking this out the redirect will not help them find whatever it is they are looking for - there is no mention of Rush Limbaugh at the target, "Chinese Communist Party" and "Chicom" are both mentioned at Rush Limbaugh#Hu Jintao but it doesn't seem likely that this is what people would be primarily searching for (or clear why they'd be searching for it using this search term). Thryduulf (talk) 17:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Britney Spears 7th studio album (Britney Spears album)
[edit]- Britney Spears 7th studio album (Britney Spears album) → Femme Fatale (Britney Spears album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This unusually formatted and repetitive redirect started out as an article about the album in question back when it was still upcoming on September 16, 2010. A Santa Clara IP marked the article for deletion on grounds of a foggy WP:CRYSTAL ball two minutes after its creation and redirected it to Spears' article five minutes after that, where it remained redirected until Dobie80 redirected it to the current target less than 26 months later. It's also had only 68 pageviews since July 2015 (which equates to less than one person per month), so I'm not sure we really need this redirect. Regards, SONIC678 16:31, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The redirect is accurate as the target is Britney Spears' 7th studio album, and it is (unsurprisingly) a Britney Spears album, but the redundancy is very unlikely to be a useful redirect. Page views totally exactly one hit in the 1 January 2023 - 30 September 2024 period do not provide any evidence of utility. Britney Spears' 7th studio album and Britney Spears 7th studio album are both red but should not be deleted on the basis of this discussion if someone feels them useful enough to create. Thryduulf (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Template:MBTI Instrument
[edit]- Template:MBTI Instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:MBTI Archetypes → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Mtbi instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Three more template space redirects pointing to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (added 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC))
- Template:MBTI Archetypes, was merged to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions, was merged to ISTJ
- Template:Mtbi instrument, alias of Template:MBTI Instrument
A few years ago, this template became unused, and was redirected to the main MBTI article. Isn't the normal procedure for unused templates to be deleted? I don't see why one would do a redirect from template space to an article. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do these need to be kept for attribution? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and TfD? Jay 💬 11:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The last three nominated redirects were not tagged until today.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: (Involved) Relisting as the September 16 log no longer shows up at the main RfD page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 13:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Minister for Cities
[edit]- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinions seems split between creating a disambiguation page at the base title, or claiming Minister for Cities (Australia) is the primary topic. (Either way, seems a disambiguation page needs to be created somewhere ... but is that "somewhere" the base title or a title ending with "(disambiguation)"?)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Per CFA, I also think that the title is too ambiguous and generic to have a primary topic - the Australian one might be "extant" per DilatoryRevolution as of right now, but this could change in the future as political portfolios get shuffled around fairly often. Fork99 (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/setindexify at minister for cities; as WP:DIFFCAPS it should not redirect to the Australian topic in any case. A generic term and multiple non-Aussie uses; the lower case form would be appropriate for grouping in "secretary" etc. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as the September 16 log no longer shows up at the main RfD page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 13:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
British Music Invasion
[edit]- British Music Invasion → British Invasion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no such name article, so there is no source for such name, and in this way anyone could create any redirect with any name (SPAM). Eurohunter (talk) 11:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
List over Swedish Artists by Albums and Singles Sold
[edit]- List over Swedish Artists by Albums and Singles Sold → List of best-selling Swedish music artists (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Absolutely incorrect descriptive name. Such redirect should be removed from Wikipedia otherwise it contributes to the popularisation of incorrect and redundant redirects (SPAM). This name is entirely incorrect and shouldn't be kept on Wikipedia. This means that if someone would create dozens of such names for different countries, they would be considered incorrect and deleted. Eurohunter (talk) 10:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
List of Dota 2 heroes
[edit]- List of Dota 2 heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Dota 2 Heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. There's always a proper wiki for that in-game list. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahri Boy: That's not a basis for speedy deletion. See WP:NOTCSD#1. SilverLocust 💬 06:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The redirect was per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dota 2 Heroes. Even at the time, there was not a list at that target (permalink), just a mention of
111 "Hero" characters
with a primary ref:"Heroes". Valve Corporation. Retrieved February 13, 2015.
SilverLocust 💬 07:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history and/or the mentioned AfD. Notified of this discussion at the target talk.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as the September 15 log no longer shows up at the main RfD page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Online education
[edit]- Online education → Distance education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online Education → Educational technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 14 § Online education – retarget to Distance education
Seems ambiguous. There is also Online school. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget [Online Education] to Distance education. Thanks to the COVID pandemic happening, this seems to be the primary redirect topic for these terms with Educational technology and Online school being potential subtopics when referring to the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Listed the previous RfD. Note that there was a disambig page Online learning that was discussed there. Jay 💬 11:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, the discovery/existence of the aforementioned disambiguation page does not change my stance. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 11:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: (Involved) Relisting as the September 15 log no longer shows up at the main RfD page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Footman Frenzy
[edit]- Footmen Frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Footmen frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Apparently this was a thing - a game-within-the-game that once had a substantial (but basically unsourced) article. See here, here, here. In other words, a thing that exists, may be worth a mention, but can not support an article of its own. BD2412 T 01:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes indeed, a popular custom game and perhaps worth a mention, but as it's not mentioned now, delete. It was not a particularly important one at the end of the day, unlike DotA's leading what became the MOBA genre, so I don't anticipate being added any time soon. IznoPublic (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IznoPublic. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Footmen Frenzy with {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 11:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Footmen Frenzy's page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 11:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)- It has history but I don't think that history has been used elsewhere. Still seems fine to delete. Izno (talk) 17:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as the September 15 log no longer shows up at the main RfD page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
26, November, 2006
[edit]- 26, November, 2006 → 2006#November (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This day is not discussed at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 16:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per, nom. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- The issue stated in the nomination statement can be resolved by retargeting to Portal:Current events/2006 November 26. However the real issue should be the formatting. -- Tavix (talk) 03:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? There's nothing wrong with the formatting. "Day, Month, Year" is totally plausible. The issue is a lack of coverage of this date in mainspace, for a mainspace search term where readers predict, and expect, to end up in mainspace when typing it. A blue-link here is misleading to prospective searchers, when we have no mainspace coverage for such a term. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay then, Retarget to Portal:Current events/2006 November 26 where there are plenty of mainspace links to events that happened on that day. -- Tavix (talk) 13:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? There's nothing wrong with the formatting. "Day, Month, Year" is totally plausible. The issue is a lack of coverage of this date in mainspace, for a mainspace search term where readers predict, and expect, to end up in mainspace when typing it. A blue-link here is misleading to prospective searchers, when we have no mainspace coverage for such a term. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
January 3, 2003
[edit]- January 3, 2003 → 2003#January (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This day is not discussed at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 16:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2003 January 3 where information on that date can be found. -- Tavix (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Undermine (Warcraft)
[edit]- Undermine (Warcraft) → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete not mentioned at the target. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Undermine is a fictional location in the Warcraft universe. The Undermine is supposedly on the Isle of Kezan, in the southern part of Azeroth.
The 20 November 2007 consensus of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Undermine (Warcraft) was merge and redirect [to Azeroth (Warcraft)]. The 28 November 2007 consensus of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azeroth (Warcraft) was (merge and) redirect to Warcraft universe. On 18 December 2007, Warcraft universe moved to Warcraft (series). In December 2009, Warcraft (series) moved to Warcraft (unnecessary disambiguation). There was a consensus to mention "Undermine" in the Warcraft article. – wbm1058 (talk) 11:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)- The final version of ==Undermine== in Azeroth (Warcraft), before its "merge":
The Undermine is believed to be the home island of the goblins, and is ruled by the Goblin Princes of Trade who hold their slave pens and palaces there. Undermine exists partially on the world's surface, but most of it is underground. It is primarily a series of volcanic caverns, tunnels and chambers that span out of the Isle of Kezan through the ocean floor, connecting to adjacent smaller islands to the west. Aside from the goblins and their slaves, the tunnels are also inhabited by a strange breed of purple-skinned goblins named hobgoblins. They are larger than regular goblins and they rarely live to three years of age. They were created by alchemical experiments on goblin subjects during the Second War.
- The merge template was removed at 02:05, 28 November 2007, with edit summary "both articles were redirected here", but no content was merged. This was a failure to implement the consensus. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Mention of Undermine was finally added at 01:31, 12 December 2008:
- Another mention was added 16:56, 2 March 2009:
- A 12:20, 26 June 2009 edit changed this text:
- Mention of "not been included"/"yet to be visited" was restored 01:02, 31 July 2009:
- This was removed again @16:25, 25 August 2009: "
as stated before... undermine is not a continent, and the number of major landmasses has not yet been decided due to the fact that there are unknown lands where pandarens and maybe more
". - Text was changed @16:28, 25 August 2009:
- Text was again changed @14:11, 18 September 2009:
- On 27 October 2009, the last mention of Undermine in Warcraft was "split per WP:BOLD" to Races and factions of Warcraft. Later, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Races and factions of Warcraft closed as redirect to Gameplay of World of Warcraft.
- Seems all this content which hasn't been cited to reliable sources has been undermining the principles of Wikipedia. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- wbm1058, in terms of action, what would you like to be done for this redirect and this discussion? Jay 💬 17:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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Texvc
[edit]Legacy cruft does not warrant a double soft redirect from mainspace. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget if a mention is added. The page was moved (without redirect) to project space in 2010 following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texvc reached no consensus. The redirect was recreated "since Meta has many links to this page, and I don't have access to a bot to correct Meta". The redirect gets over 400 hits a year with only a handful of days with zero visits, and I can find no evidence of anything else with this name so it's clearly providing value to those using it. I don't know how to filter out all the manpages, package lists, forum questions and programming snippets, etc. to assess whether this is notable enough for a mention somewhere, but someone who does know how to do that should do that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Since there is no page in projectspace, it is a redirect to an offsite location, this is therefore a redirect to an offsite location, and not the proper use of a redirect. The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary. Per Thryduulf's stats, WP:REDLINK to allow creation of an article, should it prove notable. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary
this is incorrect. While Wiktionary is the most common target of soft redirects in the mainspace it is not the only one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: unambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Mainspace -> Project namespace -> MediaWiki page = at least one WP:XNR too many. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? In what way is this harming anybody or anything? Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's too many redirections initially starting in a namespace not related to its final target. Such a title being in the "Wikipedia:" namespace (the redirect's target) makes sense, but not from the article namespace. That, and the acronym seems like it may be a subject which has either WP:REDYES potential as either a standalone article or a subtopic to add into TeX or AMS-LaTeX per the very text on the target of Wikipedia:Texvc. Steel1943 (talk) 18:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? In what way is this harming anybody or anything? Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- There seems to be no consensus to delete, but this double redirect is messy. Soft retarget to mediawikiwiki:texvc. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency
[edit]- Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency → Body image (neuroscience) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned at target (in over 10 years) seems to be created for listing at dab FAI as the only user, but I'm removing that dab entry as it fails WP:DABACRO and wouldn't be used anyway due to incorrect capitalisation. Widefox; talk 20:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's an index [2], that could indeed be listed at FAI. The capitalisation *seems* to be correct, although I'm not sure why the authors chose to capitalise it this way. In other sources [3] [4], sentence case seems to be preferred. I don't think there's enough information to write an article, but it might merit a mention at the target. Cremastra (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- The term (with same sort-of-dopey captialization) was indeed added in 2014 (by the redirect's creator) and still present up until a reworking in late July 2021. I have taken the liberty of re-adding the mention, as I discern no reason for its removal (made by an editor inactive since 2023). Per Cremestra and the mention in several papers, it seems notable enough for a mention at the target as well as the FAI dab page.
- I'm dubious as to the usefulness of the redirect due to its length, although it comes up nicely as the only choice when I type in "Feel status". However, if we keep it, I'd like to change the caps; although correctly matching the original 2014 paper's use, it's different on both the 2016 [2] and 2020 [3] papers mentioned by Cremestra. I personally prefer the last, from Social Science & Medicine, which uses hyphens, which seems (of the three styles) most easily understandable and conformant to English usage (and therefore what I used when restoring the text). In one paper's reviews Zaccagni (original paper's lead researcher) acknowledged a lack of facility with English (though the caps weren't explicitly mentioned); I don't know how much leeway we have in choosing a style. I do think it an unlikely capitalization for a WP user to type in, so I would lean toward Keep, but sentence-case it. It just looks wrong otherwise. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 20:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Farage riots
[edit]- Farage riots → 2024 United Kingdom riots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Negative redirect not mentioned in the target article. A quick Google search doesn't seem to show that is a common term. Borderline speedy deletion candidate. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- My quick google search showed that this is very much a term that has been used in reliable sources [5][6][7][8] and sources that may or may not be reliable (I've not looked in detail) [9][10][11][12] (and also a use in The London Economic titled "Farage Riots trend as Reform UK kick off conference" the filter won't let me link to). Many of the uses in both sets are quoting Nigel Farage complaining about others using the term, some of them attribute the term to him. I'm not sure whether a mention of the term at either the rioting article or Nigel Farage's article is due, but it's not a suggestion that can be dismissed out of hand. Thryduulf (talk) 00:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the due diligence, but I won't withdraw my nomination unless it is mentioned in the article... non-neutral redirects without sources seems like a BLP violation, doesn't it? -1ctinus📝🗨 00:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Newsthump is a satirical website, but the first four sources seem reliable (the Instagram link being a broadcast interview on LBC radio). I've also heard this phrase being used on podcasts and in the media, and the stats[13] seem to show people are searching for it, I think it's a keep. Orange sticker (talk) 14:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good day. I created this redirect not out of agreement with the term, but rather because I had seen the name used to refer to these riots frequently at the time on social medias and on some reliable (and less reliable) news sites, as Thryduulf found. The term is certainly biased, I do admit that I am unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies around redirects. My rationale was simply to help readers who may know these riots as the Farage Riots to get to the appropriate article.
- Anyway, I understand your reason for proposing deletion. I personally do not have enough knowledge on the subject of the article to integrate mention of this nickname in a well written manner. Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, thank you for editing! Mittzy (talk) 13:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Grabage truck
[edit]- Grabage truck → Garbage truck (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grabage tin → Waste container (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible misspelling. Killarnee (talk) 06:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grabage tin – no consensus
- Delete I am not aware of any accent that pronounces Garbage anything like 'Grabage'. Ca talk to me! 01:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is also Grabage tin. Since the existence of these redirects actively impedes search by only showing these two redirects instead of relevant content for "garbage", which would be the case if the misspelling did not occur anywhere in article space, I suggest deletion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible typo (and an unambiguous one too – there's no such thing as a "grabbage truck"). Searching for "grabage" still shows results for "garbage" below those two. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 11:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which kind of search you are using. This is not the case for me. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Vector 2022 search engine, which 99+% of readers use, eliminates this problem entirely. Try it for yourself. J947 ‡ edits 04:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which kind of search you are using. This is not the case for me. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This should be bundled with Grabage tin. Either way, Grabage does not exist and never has. Steel1943 (talk) 17:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this is a very plausible typo since it is character transposition between two adjacent characters, a very common form of typo -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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Mick Armstrong
[edit]- Mick Armstrong → Socialist Alternative (Australia)#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. TarnishedPathtalk 06:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the above and also per the fact that there are no sources that this is a prominent figure with serious connections to the target article. - AndreyKva (talk) 07:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Restore as a contested WP:BLAR. The article was tagged for notability, but it was well-developed with nine references so it definitely should not be deleted here. Another alternative would be to retarget to Austudy Five where he is mentioned, but really that should be an option presented at AfD if someone wants to take it there. Thryduulf (talk) 10:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
NeoCitran
[edit]- NeoCitran → Cold medicine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Neocitran → Cold medicine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yes, Neocitran is a kind of cold medicine, but with no mention at target this isn't very helpful. The reader expects information specific to neocitran, but ends up at cold medicine, which they probably already knew about. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Or they didn't know about it, and the redirect told them everything they needed to know. This kind of redirect helps people translate "Ugh, I took some NeoCitran but I still feel bad" → "My Canadian colleague took some cold medicine". I think we should keep this redirect. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've added Neocitran to the listing as it should share the same fate. A7V2 (talk) 23:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless mention can be added to Cold medicine#Brands. If we have no information about Neocitran we should not give the false impression that we do. That said, according to the former article Theraflu (now also a redirect to Cold medicine, see Old revision of Theraflu) this was an alternate name for Theraflu, also not mentioned at the current target, so potentially that redirect and TheraFlu are also unsuitable. However as that article existed for around 14 years before being BLARed seemingly without discussion I think it could be restored and then these redirects could be targeted there. A7V2 (talk) 00:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Relgion in the High Middle Ages
[edit]- Relgion in the High Middle Ages → High Middle Ages#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I declined to speedy deleted this as, per WP:R3, implausible typos have to have been recently created, and this was created two years ago, but I do agree that it is implausible and should be deleted. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Just Step Sideways: Shouldn't it be moved to the correct title (Religion in the High Middle Ages?) Jarble (talk) 21:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
National Sports Administration
[edit]- National Sports Administration → General Administration of Sport of China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect is likely too general to be correctly associated with the target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add a hatnote "national sports administration" is a generic term, but "National Sports Administration" as a proper noun does appear to be unique to China, so per WP:DIFFCAPS the present target would appear to be correct but a hatnote should be added to wherever national sports administration would target if it weren't red (it's not immediately obvious to me where that is). Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Aušautas
[edit]- Aušautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ausautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušautas as an {{R from merge}}. Probably retarget Ausautas to Ausātas. Jay 💬 19:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete due to a lack of mention at the target. The former microstub article was unreferenced so it cannot be used to facilitate a mention now. I was also unable to find a reliable source myself. -- Tavix (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Diedievaite
[edit]- Diedievaite → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Correctly diacriticised Diedievaitė does not exist. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete due to a lack of mention at the target. The former microstub article was unreferenced so it cannot be used to facilitate a mention now. I was also unable to find a reliable source myself. -- Tavix (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Aušlavis
[edit]- Aušlavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auslavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned in any article on the English Wikipedia, though this is linked from the {{Baltic religion}} navigational template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušlavis as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete due to a lack of mention at the target. The former microstub article was unreferenced so it cannot be used to facilitate a mention now. I was also unable to find a reliable source myself. -- Tavix (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Karorius
[edit]- Karorius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete due to a lack of mention at the target. The former microstub article was unreferenced so it cannot be used to facilitate a mention now. I was also unable to find a reliable source myself. -- Tavix (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Whoopsie daisy
[edit]- Whoopsie daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Oopsie-daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target (except in the hatnote). No other words redirect to this target and there is no list of words here (except for a few examples in the Vocabulary section). Per this article, both words are variants of Upsy daisy, which is a redirect to In the Night Garden.... Johnj1995 (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This piece of writing on the topic is quite interesting. No great target for these at wikt:, nonetheless. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - I actually think the current target is appropriate. If someone wants to know what "whoopsie daisy" means, being directed to the Baby talk article is all the explanation that really needs. (Kinda wish the article had the more formal "Child directed speech" title, but that's neither here nor there...) Fieari (talk) 23:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary plausible search term but not related to article. Wiktionary seems appropriate -1ctinus📝🗨 01:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, although babies may not understand. In a perfect Wikipedia this may be redirected to Notting Hill, where Hugh Grant said it either as a scripted or unscripted word as a minor although interesting plot point. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget "Oopsie-daisy" to Oopsy Daisy as a plausible misspelling. Delete "Whoopsie daisy" for having no good target. A randomish example of baby talk shouldn't redirect there, any more than it should redirect to some variant of 'mistake'. And strongly oppose redirecting to Wikitionary, which inhibits searching within Wikipedia, and such a search result includes a link to the Wikt entry right at the top already anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget Whoopsie daisy to L.O.V.E (Terri Walker album) and retarget Oopsie-daisy to Oopsy Daisy. Ideally there would be some discussion of these phrases at the Baby talk article, but for now the best we can do is target to works with the name. -- Tavix (talk) 00:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget accordingly as suggested by Tavix. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders
[edit]- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Feminist perspectives on eating disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- A Feminist Perspective → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Otherwise, only appears to occur in references on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Retarget A Feminist Perspective to Jo Freeman - one of her books is entitled Women: A Feminist Perspective, which is the only exact match (including capitalization) for the term we have.Neutral on the other two. Tevildo (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a disambiguation page filled with WP:SUBTITLEs. (I've always wondered if WP:SUBTITLE is a stronger stance than WP:PTM ... guess we will find out.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate A Feminist Perspective per the above - or, if we can't disambiguate on subtitles, retargetting it to Feminism or Feminist theory might be an alternative. But we shouldn't preserve the status quo in this case. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Disambiguating based on subtitles is silly. No one is searching for a book based on the subtitle. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete all. Disambiguating purely on a subtitle (or part of a subtitle) screams of WP:PTM violations. Could any of the works be referred to solely as 'A Feminist Perspective'? If not, then there is no reason for someone to search using the phrase to find that work. -- Tavix (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders has history. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Priestess of the Moon
[edit]- Priestess of the Moon → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. And not even correct if it were - Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is the original use, and Tyrande Whisperwind before her article was BLARed would also have been reasonable. But none of those mention it either. Maybe retarget to Moon magic or Lunar deity as a last-ditch genericization, but that's well, grabbing desperately to see if anything sticks so I would just delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lunar deity. There are some works that claim Priestess of the Moon as the protagonist. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete seems apropos per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enheduanna who was (high) priestess of the moon (god). The only uses of the phrase on en.wp are in relation to her. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The search results are almost all about the game character [14], in fact, I'm struggling to find anything not related to the game [15]. Leaning delete. If the capitalisation were different, I'd be more inclined to retarget, but it isn't, so I'm not. Cremastra (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Enheduanna was the "priestess of the moon god Nanna", not the "priestess of the Moon". Not mentioned at Lunar deity. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Un assiolo. I think we should just let the search function do its thing for this particular search phrase --Lenticel (talk) 00:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Moon deity, where Moon worship redirects to. A priestess of the Moon or Moon priestess would be a priestess related to Moon worship, following common English usage, regardless of where this exact spelling is used. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to reveal search results. There seem to be quite a few articles that mention a priestess of the moon. However, I don't see a good general topic on the subject. Lunar deity does not cover the subject (the articles we do have on the subject do not not establish priestesses as deities). The Moon isn't mentioned at Priest. -- Tavix (talk) 22:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Adam Angligena
[edit]- Adam Angligena → Dictionary of National Biography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A person who was redirected to a subpage about doubtful biographies in the DNB, which itself was just merged into the Dictionary itself. It's safe to say that this redirect has been useless since around 2014. OhHaiMark (talk) 14:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So, I have comments. Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography was not merged into Dictionary of National Biography. After surviving an AfD in 2018 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography, where deletion had no support, an end run round process took place in 2019 with a merge notice added in July, and then the page simply redirected, five days later, by the same editor. Not very different from an out-of-process deletion, that.
- If an "Apocryphal biographies" section had been added to the DNB article, Adam Angligena could be an anchored redirect to that section. The argument has been put that the existence in the DNB of not obviously fictitious but made up people is of encyclopedic interest. I support that argument.
- The way this issue has been handled does make it unclear what to do about Adam Angligena, but that's a by-product of high-handed actions five years ago. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was interested in potentially carrying out the merge, but it doesn't appear that Adam Angligena was ever mentioned at Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography. -- Tavix (talk) 01:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Adam of Balsham? Here's the DNB entry of Adam Angligena, which mentions he is surnamed Adam de Parvo-Ponte. Adam de Parvo Ponte redirects to Adam of Balsham. The name isn't currently established in the text, but the Wikisource DNB entry of Adam Angligena is listed as an external link. -- Tavix (talk) 01:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Nerubian
[edit]- Nerubian → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Mummy (undead) and at World of Warcraft: The War Within but neither of those have enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional arthropods if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete not mentioned at the target. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Was mentioned at Races and factions of Warcraft, prior to the close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Races and factions of Warcraft, and a 15 July 2020 edit "
Beginning a purge of fancruft/gamecruft - mostly unsourced or irrelevant/non-notable races. Not every creature is important
." – wbm1058 (talk) 16:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC) - Retarget to World of Warcraft: The War Within. I believe
...army of nerubians, an ancient race of humanoid spiders previously thought to be near extinct, who begin kidnapping numerous civilians...
is enough to establish what they are. -- Tavix (talk) 01:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Notional-functional syllabus
[edit]- Notional-functional syllabus → Syllabus#Notional-functional (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional-Functional Syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Functional-notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. There is a redlink of "Functional syllabus" at Glossary of language education terms#F, though that does not mention "notional". 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Content which was boldly merged to Syllabus on 1 June 2010 was completely unmerged without discussion on 12 November 2016. – wbm1058 (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- [16] is a source that lists several syllabus types, including "Notional / Functional". I think it'd be a good addition to the article to list these types and then explain what they are in a new section. -- Tavix (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - wbm1058's previous close [17], which was self reverted [18] on the RfD page, has not been reverted on the four pages listed above (so currently Notional-functional syllabus is an article with the other three redirects to it). Given this discussion has attracted little interest in over a month, and that close was over 2 weeks ago, this should perhaps be closed as effectively moot, but I will leave it up to someone else to decide if instead the close should be fully reverted and discussion continued. Pinging Hey man im josh, Tavix and Jay who might make that decusion. A7V2 (talk) 00:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Esyllabus
[edit]- Esyllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Electronic syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online course syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target currently does not mention online education. Possibly retarget to Online school or a similar target (see also the "Online education" redirects below)? 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I found a source where e-syllabus is defined and added it to the article. -- Tavix (talk) 01:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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AMA (Reddit)
[edit]I went to link this from Celebrity Number Six, but the current target is overly precise, and in this case inaccurate, as the AMA I'm writing about did not take place in r/IAmA. This once targeted a section of the main Reddit article—after some resectioning, now called Reddit § AMAs ("Ask Me Anything")—but was boldly retargeted to the current target in 2017. Given that most AMAs are not held in r/IAmA, and that IAmA is prominently linked from the AMA section of the reddit article, I suggest a restore of old target (albeit with updated anchor name). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 16:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom to point to the general article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
The Physical Impossibility Of Dolphins In The Mind Of Someone Living
[edit]- The Physical Impossibility Of Dolphins In The Mind Of Someone Living → The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living#Variants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No hits on google for this phrase. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 15:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
VVikipedia
[edit]Implausible redirect Largoplazo (talk) 02:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- People unable to use their W key will write two Vs instead. Whether that makes this plausible I do not know. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is there an epidemic of people unable to use their W keys? If so, has research established that they do this? And what do people who can't use their S keys or their A keys or their N keys do? Largoplazo (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- The stats page is giving me an error. Is that because it's 100% unused or is the server just hiccuping? Fieari (talk) 04:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Neither. The stats tool only records data for extant pages, and this was created less than 24 hours ago meaning it has no data to show (and handles this ungracefully). Thryduulf (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. It seems there are a few closed/still-born projects with this name, several usernames, a wiki on Fandom with 13 articles in Brazilian Portuguese, lots of usernames (most prominently a youtuber who posts videos related to skateboarding) and a handful of OCR-type errors. https://vvikipedia.com/ [it's blacklisted so I can't link] is none of those, but quite what it's purpose is I don't understand - it's a very crude rewrite of Wikipedia pages to say what you want (e.g. I input "France" and "Dijon is the capital" in the input boxes and got https://vvikipedia.com/wiki/en-US/France/Dijon%20is%20the%20capital. That aside none of these are notable, so the only question us whether this is a plausible search term for Wikipedia. Certainly nobody using this search term will be WP:SURPRISED to end up at the Wikipedia article, but will people use it? I don't know - it's too new to have any recorded page views. As it's harmless I think the best thing to do is leave it alone for about 3 months and see whether it's getting used or not - if it is leave it alone some more, if it isn't bring it back here. Thryduulf (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- They will be surprised to end up at the Wikipedia article if, as you say, there are other projects with this name, in which case someone searching on this name is looking for that. Your two arguments are undermining each other. Largoplazo (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was just thinking about your comment about OCR errors and musing about all those 14th century works mentioning Wikipedia that are being scanned into digital storage. Largoplazo (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Thryduul pointed out OCR errors as a potential use case, and that sounds like a useful thing to redirect for to me. (Not to mention, unambiguous target, harmless, WP:CHEAP, etc.) At the very least, give it a year or so to see how much it's actually used in practice. Fieari (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Vandalism cruft. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete per thryduulf's arguments being tvvo sides of the same skill issue. one highly implausible, and one reliant on everyone conveniently forgetting that this redirect vvas uncontroversially deleted before (granted, it vvas in 2014, so eh) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- You vvin the internet today! - UtherSRG (talk) 19:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an implausible typo or misnomer. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 22:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning keep, as I do a lot of work on Wikisource, where "VV" for "W" scannos are fairly abundant. BD2412 T 02:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This should have been speedied under R3. The OCR argument is unconvincing. Who is entering scanned text directly into the search box? --Un assiolo (talk) 12:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Cogsan. Steel1943 (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per BD2412. Cremastra (talk) 12:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unlikely search term, no evidence of WP:AFFINITY that this is used for "Wikipedia".
Would've expected UUikipedia for starting with a double-U...From my searches there are zero other pages that swap the w for a "vv". If OCR is the sole contingency, there'd be a lot more problems than just one particular letter in one particular redirect to solve, and the Wikipedia search bar is not the mechanism for it. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is a bit of affinity, unlike UU, in English, historically, the "W" was spelled as "Vv" (such as in "vvitch"); though that is from Middle English and not Modern English -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible, unnecessary. Zaathras (talk) 12:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the logo. --MSMST1543 (talk) 03:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; perfectly plausible error and unambiguous. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 05:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Largoplazo's responses to Thryduulf. For what it's worth, none of the languages at List of Wikipedias spell it this way. -- Tavix (talk) 00:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This was previously deleted in May 2014 as (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup: unlikely search term). That redirect's creator left this rationale on the page when they created it:
- <!-- Please, this page is created because in Mediæval (Mediaeval) English, othervvise knovvn as Anglo-Saxon/Old English "Ænglisc", the double v (in the USA, double u) vvas created vvith tvvo letter v's. So, for instance, in Mediaeval English — tvvo letter v's vvere used in VVitches, vvhich vvas used instead of today's choice of use with the nevv Latin letter, double v (or double u:) Witches. Thank you for understanding my Lingüistic knovvledge, I knovv this redirect is not vandalism, and hopefully it is not vievved as vandalism. -->
- I find only three "double V" Wi's in Wikipedia Search: Vvillelm (tagged as a misspelling), VVilliam Shakeſpeare, which is actually contemporary to Mediaeval English and survived a deletion discussion, and VVitch, a stylization of the title of a 2015 film. I'm not taking the time to check for others A–Z, except to note that Vvaporware has had just six page views in the past year, and has sat undisturbed for sixteen years. I don't think the font used in Wikipedia's logo is credibly viewed as two V's rather than a single "W", and this usage can be interpreted as an attempt to disparage Wikipedia by implying it belongs in the Dark Ages (societal collapse). – wbm1058 (talk) 14:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
this usage can be interpreted as an attempt to disparage Wikipedia by implying it belongs in the Dark Ages (societal collapse)
I find this to be, by at least an order of magnitude, the least plausible thing said in this discussion. What other redirects exist or don't exist is completely irrelevant to whether this one is useful. Thryduulf (talk) 14:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)- but it vvas pretty funny, i'm not gonna lie cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- How is it "useful" to redirect someone searching for information about vvikipedia.com (WikiPlus) to an article about Wikipedia? That's not helpful. Readers would be better served by sending them to MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/May 2021#vvikipedia.com – wbm1058 (talk) 17:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- So you believe that vvikipedia.com is the primary topic for "VVikipedia"? Cremastra (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly is for vvikipedia. "VVikipedia" is sort of ambiguous. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Wbm1058: That site’s name is actually vvikipedla with an L. MSMST1543 (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I saw that. vvikipedla is another red link. It was discussed on the Italian Wikipedia, May–July, 2021. Google Translate says:
Typosquatting can be interpreted as trademark infringement because it is misleading. I sent a report to
legal-tm-vio {at} wikimedia {dot} org
, which is the address to report trademark violations as indicated in the wmf:Trademark policy. I got a response from WMF's legal department saying they are working on it as part of their "trademark enforcement".
- VVIKIPEDLA.COM, which is registered by MarkMonitor Inc., is not to be confused with VVIKIPEDIA.COM, which is registered by NameCheap, Inc.
- VVIKIPEDLA.COM gives me "Your connection is not private – Attackers might be trying to steal your information from vvikipedla.com"
- VVIKIPEDIA.COM gives me a legitimate-looking, albeit not secure site, called "WikiPlus"
- Unclear what the status of "trademark enforcement" is. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I saw that. vvikipedla is another red link. It was discussed on the Italian Wikipedia, May–July, 2021. Google Translate says:
- So you believe that vvikipedia.com is the primary topic for "VVikipedia"? Cremastra (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Plausible misreading of the Wikipedia logo. I'm pretty sure I've seen overlapping Vs used in logos to mean "VV" rather than "W" once or twice. Not that strong of an argument, but redirects are cheap, and this isn't generalizable to all Ws. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
T:WPMHA
[edit]- T:WPMHA → Template:WPMILHIST Announcements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
~Two incoming links. With the existence of the "TM" alias, TM:WPMHA is a totally sufficient shortcut for navigating to this page, in an effort to keep a confusing PNR out of namespace. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirect is 10 years old, which means it was definitely created before the namespace redirect TM: was created, and we generally keep old cross-namespace redirects. mwwv converse∫edits 11:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't disagree that the redirect predates "TM:". But 2014 is really not that old. Pseudo-namespace titles have been majorly contentious for much longer than a decade. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 18#T:WPTECH is an example of a heated discussion, but T: titles have been getting nominated since 2010 and earlier (on principle of being T: titles). So I'd hardly call 2014 a "longstanding example", especially as this title has never stood the test of time. As an example, T:AC has been the subject of 3 RfDs. T:WPMHA has been the subject of none, so there's no precedent of !keeping. It's only been "unearthed" as of today, basically. Compounded with WP:NORUSH to discuss this PNR sooner.
- We don't "generally keep" cross namespace redirects on the premise of "being old", so I'm really not sure where that statement comes from. Being old does not inherently give a title immunity. Especially so if the title is otherwise problematic, which cross-namespace redirects inherently are, especially ones from mainspace where our casual readers stick to. The "problematic"-factor is offset by some level of demonstrable utility, which is why such titles might stick.
- Quick aside: pseudo-namespace redirects =/= cross-namespace redirects. WP:PNRs are designed to allow for easily linking to a title, without the need to write out the whole prefix for the namespace. "Template" might only be 8 letters, but if you're typing it ten or so times a day for monitoring purposes, those keyclicks add up. PNR utility can come from either use in wikilinks, as well as use in a search bar.
- So let's examine demonstrable utility. This title was created in 2014, exclusively as a compromise when T:WPMA was getting deleted. Since its creation, it has only been used by one person, the creator, on this talk page. As far as T: titles might go, 1 usage per decade is on the low end. The wikilinks are easy to adjust. Pertaining to "use in a search bar", well, the TM: alias makes it easy to access ANY template now, so all search-bar-efficiency rationales are essentially caput for T: titles. (Unless, for some reason, there's a template on WP which is so vital that its "utterly necessary to shorten 'TM:' to 'T:', saving a singular keypress". That might've been the case when 7 key-presses were being saved by "T:", but now that it's down to 1, I'd be shocked if that's the case for any template on WP.)
- In closing, cross-namespace-redirects from mainspace are always unideal. Casual readers should not be accidentally falling through a trapdoor only to end up in the Wikipedia backrooms, if they can help it. T:kort, T:SCC among others, are content articles on in mainspace which "T:" titles actively infringe on. So PNRs of this type should be kept to a minimum, as they interfere with reader navigation to actual articles. Now that the TM: alias is a feature that exists, I predict most (if not all) "T:" titles will be deleted before the end of 2024, but that's just my own prediction and idk if that'll truly occur or not. But this I feel is one of the more uncontroversial ones to go; its a comparably easy two-link repair, and a solo nom to test the waters before a potential group nom of other T: titles. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep it's old, it is getting used (as determined by page views, not by count of links from current revisions of pages on en.wp), it is unambiguous and I'm not seeing any evidence of it having caused any actual (as opposed to theoretical) problems in the last 10 years. We need more than that to justify deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Big Yud
[edit]Google searches connected the redirect and target, but it's not mentioned on the target page. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 19#Big Yud. J947 ‡ edits 04:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The previous RfD was wildly not based on policy or real redirect practice. One of the "!keep" voters said "!keep because it is a joke name and extremely funny".
- A name being used online has ZERO bearing towards its suitability as a redirect on Wikipedia, without other factors being true: redirects on Wikipedia take people to the content we have for that term on Wikipedia. People looking up "Big Yud" are guaranteed to be looking for context relating to "Big Yud", as that is the term they searched for. There is no mention of the term at the target page, nor ANY indication or context about an "endearing nickname of 'Big', followed by an abbreviation of 'Yud'". "Big" does not appear anywhere on the entire page. And we don't do unmentioned nickname redirects towards the target they refer to on Wikipedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I find your characterization of the previous discussion disingenuous. The rationale was not that "It's a funny joke", but rather that it is used in the wild, unambiguously yet potentially confusing to a reader, and so being able to search for what it means on Wikipedia is useful and helpful. It does not require a mention in the article to be useful in this sense, as all the redirect is doing is saying that this nickname refers to this person. We DO do unmentioned nickname redirects towards the target they refer to on Wikipedia, typically when those redirects violate NPOV. This is not a novel use of redirects here. Remember, redirects are not typically user facing. They have far less stringent inclusion requirements, and are primarily here to be useful to someone. They need not be reliable, they need not be unbiased, they just need to be helpful. Fieari (talk) 23:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I see no evidence that the consensus reached in the previous discussion was incorrect, nor anything presented here but not there that indicates the discussion was invalid. Thryduulf (talk) 13:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Helen Justine Ferris
[edit]- Helen Justine Ferris → Helen Josephine Ferris (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No hits on google for this term. It seems to have been moved by mistake here and then corrected within a few hours. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, although I'm not quite certain enough to speedy delete this under WP:CSD#G6. Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
USS Dory (SS-352)
[edit]- USS Dory (SS-352) → USS Halfbeak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- USS Dory → USS Halfbeak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I cannot determine why these redirects target this page (or why there is an entry at List of United States Navy ships: D–F). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment A Google and Internet Archive check brings up zero relevant results for connections between the name USS Dory and any submarine, never mind Halfbeak. The closest one gets is discussions about the future USS Doris Miller. Can Derekbridges explain the redirect? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Halfbeak was originally ordered as Dory, according to Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1922–1946. This is a valid redirect. Parsecboy (talk) 10:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Parsecboy. My IA check was clearly not thorough enough! For confirmation the page in question is here. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above, but ideally a mention should be added to the target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Allan Cerda
[edit]- Allan Cerda → Cincinnati Reds minor league players#Allan Cerda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cerda is not listed as a player on the team, and according to his MLB profile, he has played for several teams, so I'm not sure what the best redirect would be. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No longer plays for Reds and not notable for stand alone article.-- Yankees10 15:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hérita N'Kongolo Ilunga
[edit]- Hérita N'Kongolo Ilunga → Hérita Ilunga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Article has no mention of N'Kongolo being part of his official name. Roasted (talk) 00:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The first line of the article gives his name as "Nkongolo Hérita Ilunga", and there are multiple references online to the name in this order, e.g. [19], [20], [21], [22], [23] and those are all from the first page of google hits for Hérita N'Kongolo Ilunga so it's very clearly a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. That name is a perfectly plausible search term, since multiple sources list Ilunga's name in the redirect's order. Regards, SONIC678 19:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thyrduulf. Multiple resources list N'Kongolo. Demt1298 (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Fântânele River (Mureș)
[edit]- Fântânele River (Mureș) → Mureș (river) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fantanele River (Mures) → Mureș (river) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Was redirected under a verifiability concern years ago. Fântânele River doesn't list it. Can't find it on either OSM or Google maps. Used to also have Kutas-patak redirected to it, but that's a waterway somewhere else. Looks like this was the result of some sort of a confusion. Joy (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There's also the version without diacritics, which I'll be adding here, since I think it should share the same fate. Regards, SONIC678 20:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Pita Revilla
[edit]- Pita Revilla → Bernard Palanca (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pita Revilla is the mother of Bernard Palanca and Miko Palanca ([24]). A one-sentence article was created but reverted per WP:NOTINHERITED. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep current target, as Bernard's article is the only one with information about the subject. Jalen Barks (Woof) 16:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
2005–06 South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball team
[edit]- 2005–06 South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball team → South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball#Dave Odom era (2002–2008) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete this redirect. This NCAA Division I basketball team, the University of South Carolina Gamecocks, won the prestigious postseason National Invitation Tournament that year. A standalone season article easily passes GNG and this redirect will confuse readers and editors alike into thinking they will find out more NIT championship season-specific info, but instead are taken to a four-sentence blurb of a section about the head coach of that season? Give me a break. See Category:National Invitation Tournament championship seasons for myriad examples of worthy standalone articles. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. A redirect does not prevent anyone from creating an article or improving information about the season at South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball#Dave Odom era (2002–2008). As it currently stands, this is a suitable target and should be kept. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to point you to WP:REDYES. mwwv converse∫edits 11:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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Zelda: The Wand of Gannon
[edit]- Zelda: The Wand of Gannon → Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
his name was initially inconsistently spelled, with "gannon" having been used from 1 to alttp in japan, and only in 1 (and later zelda's adventure, but no one cares about that one) in not japan, so it was already out of the equation by the time the cd-i games were out. point is, getting two names mixed up and using an outdated spelling of that name doesn't seem that plausible cogsan talk page? contribs? it's yours, my friend 13:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, plausible and unambiguous; deletion of this does not improve wikipedia BugGhost🦗👻 17:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Apparently, "Gamelon" is a setting, not an alternative name for Ganon. For this reason, the redirect is erroneous and not a title match in any form of variation. Steel1943 (talk) 00:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
The Real McCoy,(BBC)
[edit]- The Real McCoy,(BBC) → The Real McCoy (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if the redirect is eligible for WP:X3, but the character sequence in this redirect ",(
" makes this redirect highly unlikely as a search term. Steel1943 (talk) 06:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this, replace it with a new redirect without the comma. The BBC disambiguator seems plausible to me, the comma is malformed. Fieari (talk) 07:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Fieari. I've created The Real McCoy (BBC) as I agree that is a plausible disambiguator. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:UNNATURAL, although its existed since 2006 its always been a redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Bingen(Rhein) Hauptbahnhof
[edit]- Bingen(Rhein) Hauptbahnhof → Bingen (Rhein) Hauptbahnhof (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Probably not eligible for WP:X3 since the lack of space between a word and a left parenthesis is not the parenthesis of a disambiguator, but that doesn't make this title any more likely, given the target page is the same title with a space between the word and the left parenthesis. Steel1943 (talk) 06:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- It was probably created as a result of copying from German language articles. German authors sometimes leave out such spaces in names. Deleted this redirect probably won't cause much trouble.--Grahame (talk) 06:33, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if this formatting is used in German language articles then the redirect should be kept as a plausible search term, however as Google refuses to distinguish between "Bingen(Rhein)", "Bingen (Rhein)" and "Bingen Rhein" I can't verify whether it is or isn't in use. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect that it is regarded as a typo even in German.--Grahame (talk) 12:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:UNNATURAL, although its existed since 2010 its always been a redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Research impact
[edit]- Research impact → Research Excellence Framework (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. The redirect is a very broad concept (the impact of research), and the target is very specific (a programme that evaluates the impact of research in the UK). If we have an article that discusses research impact, the general concept, this should be retargeted there; otherwise it should be deleted to encourage article creation, since the current target is country-specific and doesn't explain what "research impact" is. Even the target's "research impact" section merely quotes the programme's own definition of research impact, without any hints about this definition's usefulness outside the UK. Nyttend (talk) 06:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. In addition to the target we have other articles like Bibliometrics, Impact factor, Author-level metrics, Citation impact and probably others that someone using this search term could be looking for. There is also Research4Impact that warrants at least a see-also on the dab page. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
St. Paul's School,(Belgaum)
[edit]- St. Paul's School,(Belgaum) → St. Paul's High School, Belgaum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is eligible for WP:X3, but the fact the redirect has a comma before the disambiguator without a space between them is highly unlikely as a search term. Steel1943 (talk) 06:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Move without redirect to St. Paul's School (Belgaum). Correctly formatted this is a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 11:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete per WP:UNNATURAL, it was at this title for a few months in 2006. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Legendary beast
[edit]- Legendary beast → Legendary creature (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Doesn't this also refer to Suicune/Raikou/Entei? DAB based on legendary bird. Web-julio (talk) 04:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I feel like I've also heard this term used to refer to the three legendary beasts of Ziz, Behemoth, and Leviathan as a collective set, but I can't seem to find a reference to such. Fieari (talk) 05:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to raikou without much prejudice to a dab, at least for now, as it's the best- uh, the first one in the pokédex, and the legendary kitties manage to be the primary topic for the entire term by a longer shot than they probably should be. results for
"legendary beast" -pokémon
and similar searches gave me...- the behemoth... but specifically the one from final fantasy 14... and specifically the name of a quest related to it in monster hunter: world
- a toy company, seemingly big fans of comic books. no article for it though
- a lot of books, most of which are partial matches like "the first legendary beast master", or "the legendary beast of kara". no articles for any of them though
- pokémon. i specified that i didn't want pokémon, and google gave me pokémon
- even then, most results were just descriptions of things, like "wow those gym guys sure are legendary beasts, that's real muscular of their muscles", or terminology from live service games. if sources can be found for leviathan and its wacky buddies, it'll probably justify a dab. as is though, i find it pretty unlikely that the term would be used for anything other than the pokémon, even though that really shouldn't be the case here. how does it just gobble up basic terms like this for itself, d*ng cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- drafted a dab regardless, by the by cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Legendary creature is the WP:PTOPIC here, not individual Pokémon, but I would support adding a "For legendary Pokémon, see List of Pokémon" hatnote seeing as it could potentially be helpful. BugGhost🦗👻 17:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Pokemon is a fictional creation from the 1990s, not legend or any other kind of folklore, so characters from the franchise are merely fictional, not legendary. There's no question in my mind that the current target is the primary topic. Nyttend (talk) 05:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: For clarification, the reason that these three are referred to as "legendary beasts" is because they are classified as Legendary Pokémon in-universe, and Pokémon fans frequently refer to these three Pokémon as the legendary beasts. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate I could easily see people wanting to read about actual legendary creatures when they type this in, but Google results clearly favor this trio of Pokémon. For clarification, the term "legendary beasts" is frequently used to refer to these three collectively, as they are considered legendary beasts in-universe and are classified as Legendary Pokémon. Legendary bird is a similar case and is currently a disambiguation page. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
2032 European Women's Handball Championship
[edit]- 2032 European Women's Handball Championship → European Women's Handball Championship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2030 European Men's Handball Championship → European Men's Handball Championship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 04:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TOOSOON per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A7V2 (talk) 00:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Misbehaviour
[edit]- Misbehaviour → Behavior (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Misbehavior → Behavior (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ill-behaved → Behavior (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not actually helpful redirects. The reader expects a description of, well, bad behaviour, but instead is redirected to a page that describes "behaviour" in general and doesn't describe misbehaviour in the sense of a kid pulling the cat's tail. Misbehaviour isn't actually the antonym of "behaviour" here, even though it sounds like one. The behaviour article discusses behaviour in its broadest biological and societal sense. Soft redirection to wiktionary seems the best option here. Cremastra (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak disambiguate misbehavior/misbehaviour the only entries which strictly meet MOS:DAB are Misbehavior (film) and Misbehaviour (film), and various WP:DABMENTIONs (e.g. songs on Behaviour (Saga album) and Come of Age), but there's a whole bunch of stuff that would go in WP:DABSEEALSO: Missbehavior, Misbehaving (disambiguation), a {{wiktionary}} link, and closely-related concepts like acting out or misconduct or anti-social behavior which just barely fail MOS:DABSYNONYM (they mention "rebellious behavior", "behavior which is unacceptable", etc., though never strictly use the word "misbehavior"). Perhaps a bit of a WP:IAR but it seems better to disambiguate than move both films to their base titles and put giant hatnotes on them. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Firstly, I want to point out that, rather than Behavior, since the term "misbehavior" is generally understood to refer to Human behavior, that should probably be the proper redirect target. Just one problem: to my astonishment, there is no mention of misbehavior in that article. Surely there should be at least a full section there! I also checked out the articles about Misconduct and Deviance (sociology), but neither of them is truly appropriate. Wish I had a good answer! Oh btw, I removed the "antonym" reference before I came to this discussion. Anomalous+0 (talk) 01:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate the first two per 59.149. Delete Ill-behaved. J947 ‡ edits 02:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Arrowed
[edit]Not mentioned at target, and doubtful if retargeting to arrow or similar is that helpful. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect to Wiktionary. There isn't, as far as I can find, any good local target for this. If pushed I'd probably say delete over soft redirect, but this preference is very weak. Thryduulf (talk) 23:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- soft retarget to wikt:arrowed because of the two equally plausible meanings. don't think something like bullet (typography) would work cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Soft Redirect to wikt:arrowed, as the best place to get information on this word. Fieari (talk) 05:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
16 August 2006
[edit]- 16 August 2006 → 2006#August (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This date is not discussed at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I have added an event occurring on 16 August 2006 to the target page 2006#August. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2006 August 16 where information about the date can be found. -- Tavix (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is now content about this title in mainspace, which supercedes portal space in every capacity. The overarching question is mainly about whether it's preferable to have undiscussed dates be red links, or portal links, which seems to be the divide here. WP:REDYES encourages such titles to remain red, in order to encourage article creation and encyclopedic additions to mainspace. An uneditable portal of decades past does not foster the spirit of collaboration, when a date could have encyclopedically valuable content added to an article at any time, such as what Neo-Jay graciously contributed above. This is also the type of content-style that people using a mainspace search term are looking for. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- If someone wants to add more to the mainspace article that'd be ideal. But as it stands now, the Portal gives much more information on what occurred on the day in question along with plenty of links to the relevant mainspace content should that be what someone wants. -- Tavix (talk) 13:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's referenced, reader-facing content. I see no reason why it should be disregarded. I'd even suggest, with the demise of the Portal namespace, these pages and the ongoing work on them could probably be moved back to mainspace, where they aren't so hidden (precisely to counter any assertion that they are uneditable, when they absolutely are). But in lieu of that, redirects like this one serve a similar purpose. J947 ‡ edits 02:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is now content about this title in mainspace, which supercedes portal space in every capacity. The overarching question is mainly about whether it's preferable to have undiscussed dates be red links, or portal links, which seems to be the divide here. WP:REDYES encourages such titles to remain red, in order to encourage article creation and encyclopedic additions to mainspace. An uneditable portal of decades past does not foster the spirit of collaboration, when a date could have encyclopedically valuable content added to an article at any time, such as what Neo-Jay graciously contributed above. This is also the type of content-style that people using a mainspace search term are looking for. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2006 August 16 per Tavix. J947 ‡ edits 02:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Melonade
[edit]Not mentioned at target; listed in Lucozade#Variants but there is also a more general Wiktionary entry at wikt:melonade. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Soft Retarget to wikt:melonade as the best information currently available on this word. I have doubts it is sufficiently covered in WP:RS to make an article here at this time (but who knows in the future...). Fieari (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Independence of Path
[edit]- Independence of Path → Conservative force (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Path independent → Nonholonomic system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Path independence → Path dependence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should presumably point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fhqwhgads
[edit]- Fhqwhgads → Strong Bad Sings (and Other Type Hits) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fhqwghads → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fhqwgads → Strong Bad Sings (and Other Type Hits) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The latter was already discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 22#Fhqwhgads (which I apparently missed while collecting the redirects for the mass-nominations); that said, as misspellings of a term (Fhqwhgads) that is already not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure how useful these are. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- How'd you even find this? Can this be moved to my userspace as a relic? Andre🚐 07:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy; not mentioned at target and Andre wants it Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 21:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! This page (specifically Fhqwhgads) has an edit from User:AaronSw from 2004, so it's part of Wikipedia and internet history. Andre🚐 21:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Queen of Hearts and Andrevan: The correctly-spelled Fhqwhgads isn't actually part of this nomination though, and I'd !vote to keep if it were. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! This page (specifically Fhqwhgads) has an edit from User:AaronSw from 2004, so it's part of Wikipedia and internet history. Andre🚐 21:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm happy to take all of these at my userspace if not kept; tho, I believe jlwoodwa was arguing to keep the "correct" as in accurate to the Homestar video spelling of Fhqwhgads and to delete (or userfy) the other ones. Andre🚐 03:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Brainrot
[edit]No relation
[edit]- No relation → wiktionary:Special:Search/no relation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:SSRT: "only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects. We don't need a soft redirect for every possible word or phrase to be included in Wikipedia." Fram (talk) 11:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mild keep; created because I thought it might be the kind of thing that would have an article, and when it didn't, a redirect seemed useful. But I'm not dying on the hill of it and I don't care to argue about it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Chrysolith
[edit]Not mentioned at target in this specific spelling; is this as ambiguous as Chrysolite? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Googling for "Chrysolith" brings up the Olivine article, which states
Translucent olivine is sometimes used as a gemstone called peridot (péridot, the French word for olivine). It is also called chrysolite (or chrysolithe, from the Greek words for gold and stone), though this name is now rarely used in the English language.
. Mindat.org gives it asGerman synonym of: Chrysolite"
, it's entry for the latter isPredominantly used as a synonym for gem-quality olivine (see also peridot) but has also been used for prehnite and other green gem materials.
Our Chrysolite article is a disambig linking to Olivine and other "green or yellow-green-coloured gemstones". My first thought was the completely unrelated chrysalis, searching for "Chrysolith" butterfly does bring up a few people making the same mistake, but not as many or as prominently as I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)- Based on Thryduulf's research I would lean "keep", since it seems largely helpful (spelling chrysolite/chrysolithe/chrysolithos). Cremastra (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4, may I ask why you created this section? Did you notice a instance of this, or someone searching for this somewhere, or is this merely a hypothesis that someone might? Checking Google Trends, I see no Google searches for this term for the last five years. We shouldn't create redirects for typos we hypothesize as plausible searches (WP:RSWIKIOPINION?) if nobody actually ever searches for them. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathglot I don't understand your comment - 1234qwer1234qwer4 didn't create the redirect, that was El Cazangero in 2015 (they were blocked for copyvios a year later, not relevant to the creation of a redriect) who targetted it to Olivine. It was retargetted in 2020 to it's present target by Opera hat. All 1234... has done is nominate it for discussion. As for utility, the redirect got 80 hits between 1 January and 9 September this year and 64 last year, which is significantly more than nobody (it's also worth noting that your Google Trends search is limited to the United States). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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Jisan
[edit]- Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with moving the edit history as suggested with a retarget and then creating a disambiguation page if necessary. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the values given -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I think with no modifiers, the D&D use probably does count as the WP:PTOPIC here, but I would support a hatnote to point to a disambiguation page with all the other uses. Fieari (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the D&D topic is anywhere near primary. It is not prominent in a basic Google search [25], only appearing once. Jisan Station and Jisan Forest appear more times. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: To hopefully make this smooher and achieve consensus, I moved the page history to Jisan (Al-Qadim) and retargeted it to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, and suggest that the remaining Jisan be turned into a disambiguation page. BOZ (talk) 16:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Drafted a dab at the redirect. Jay 💬 12:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)- Disambiguate. The draft looks good. I don't see a primary topic here. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, I don't think a relist was necessary, as there seemed to be general consensus that there is no primary topic (speaking as somebody who does not care too much about the exact outcome now that the disambiguation page exists/has been drafted). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
List of bards
[edit]- List of bards → List of oral repositories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems like an inaccurate redirect? Not all bards are oral repositories as defined by that article, nor does it seem likely to me that all oral repositories can be described as "bards". asilvering (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Asilvering I can see where you’re coming from, however this is part of a wider issue with the title. There’s no general term in common use to describe the roles of bards, griots, imusnawen etc. I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find sources describing them generally as oral repositories. In some cases bard or troubadour is used as a definition for these terms, see here [26] [27] [28] [29]. The page could be moved to List of bards however I think that’d be inappropriate since you’d expect that list to contain a list of individuals who were historically bard, and the bard article does not take into account the broad usage of the term. I think a redirect makes the most sense, since people are very unlikely to Google list of oral repositories, but they might Google list of bards when looking for this, and also like you said there are roles here that are too specific to be termed bard. Kowal2701 (talk) 10:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the point of lots of those listed aren’t necessarily bards, if you were going to make a List of musicians, and found there was insufficient material or the divisions were hard to draw because some musicians play multiple instruments, you’d have List of cellists and List of pianists as redirects. For this reason I think List of oral poets should also be a redirect, and possibly List of oral historians Kowal2701 (talk) 13:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because we just do not seem to have such a comprehensive list. WP:REDYES may apply. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Kowal2701. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- See articles such as Ashik, Bhāts, Charan, or Makar which use bard as a general term Kowal2701 (talk) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Template:R from patronymic
[edit]- Template:R from patronymic → Template:R from surname (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Patronymics are not surnames, and I don't think the use-cases here are even remotely similar. I'm not sure if there are any naming conventions that would refer to a person by their patronymic only, so the only redirects from patronymics I could imagine would lead to articles about the corresponding names (not people). 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:09, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- One usecase will be redirects from patronymics that are misinterpreted as surnames, which is something that is, for example, done by many people from Britain and the US with respect to Icelandic names. Thryduulf (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They would still be redirects from patronymics, I interpreted your nomination to be arguing for the deletion of the redirect for having no valid usecases?
- I can think of five possible targets for a redirect from a patronymic
- A single article (when it is unambiguous)
- A surname page (where a single name is used as both a surname and a patronymic by different people)
- A given name page (where a single name is used as both a given name and a patronymic by different people)
- A a combination given name and surname page (when some people use it as a given name and others a surname)
- A patronymic page (when it is used as a patronymic by multiple notable people, but not as any other sort of name)
- So I guess either retargetting to {{R from short name}} or making it it's own template would be best. Thryduulf (talk) 04:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. The current target is not appropriate in my opinion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in multiple cultures e.g. Icelandic names, they use patronymics instead of surnames. Thus, every "R from surname" for Icelandic name is actually a "R from patronymic". Joseph2302 (talk) 06:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then they aren't "R from surname"s and shouldn't be tagged as such (which is the current result of applying this redirect tag). 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: One more try. Keep, delete, retarget to {{R from short name}}, or create a new template?
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Certificat Superieur de Francais
[edit]- Certificat Superieur de Francais → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Certificat Supérieur de Français → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only seems to occur in a passing mention on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged the version with the diacritic in with this nomination as was likely intended. It was nominated with no rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems to be the full name of the "B2" level mentioned at
Telc#FrenchThe European Language Certificates#French and possibly warrants a mention, but a mention at Français langue étrangère#Diplomas, certifications and examinations may also be due. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- Link fixed. Thryduulf (talk) 17:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, no mention anywhere. Telc is a redirect, so I don't see a Telc#French link or anchor, and unclear where the "B2" level mention is. Could not see it at the TELC dab page as well. Jay 💬 14:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The mention is at The European Language Certificates#French, I've updated my comment. Thryduulf (talk) 17:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Final relist, since a mention was apparently found. Retarget or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)- What does "apparently" mean , relister didn't want to check? Thryduulf was responding to my point about "B2" not being mentioned, not about the redirect term under discussion. I wouldn't mind a retarget to The European Language Certificates#French and tagging as {{R without mention}}. Jay 💬 06:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
March 31, 2023
[edit]- March 31, 2023 → Tornado outbreak of March 31 – April 1, 2023 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- May 20, 2013 → 2013 Moore tornado (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- April 4, 1974 → 1974 Super Outbreak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely alternative titles. We don't have redirects for April 27, 2011 or April 3, 1974 which are more important than either and they've received next to no traffic recently. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
As for the April 4, 1974 redirect I just appended to this RfD; I nominated it here because I accidentally created the redirect with the wrong date. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete No reason for these.Noah, BSBATalk 16:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per below. Noah, BSBATalk 17:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Tornadoes do not officially receive names so they can be tricky to search. An easy way to distinguish from other tornado outbreaks (especially when multiple outbreaks occur in the same area and/or around the same time) is by using the date. A little bit of poking around shows the tornadoes would be the primary topic for these dates. I would also be in favor of creating redirects for the other two dates mentioned in the nomination. -- Tavix (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- The problem here is a simple date is too ambiguous. It could be any event that happened on a specific day. I don't see how it's plausible to redirect days of a year to a tornado outbreak. The fact that these aren't getting traffic shows they arent needed to begin with. Noah, BSBATalk 16:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of primary topics are ambiguous—that's not a problem. Can you make the case for either of these dates that another event could plausibly be significant enough to rival the tornadoes? -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- An event being the most important of any particular day doesn't mean it's the only thing that happened that day. There are very few dates that I would consider worthy enough to be redirected, such as 4 July 1776 for the Signing of the United States Declaration of Independence and 14 August 1945 for the Surrender of Japan, or more recently 7 October 2023 for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel and 24 February 2022 for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These are major events that have had significant cultural effects and the dates of which are unlikely to be forgotten in the public eye and which are the clear primary topics for those days. Most people worldwide today don't know that March 31, 2023 had a tornado outbreak, especially a year after the fact, and the same goes for May 20, 2013. They don't have the primary topic advantage my previous examples had, and either way, are receiving little traffic. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I say this was the only thing that happened that day, but I do have a solution to the pushback that I'm getting: -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix, @Hurricane Noah, @GeorgeMemulous; I need to inform all of you that I just appended a third redirect onto this request. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I say this was the only thing that happened that day, but I do have a solution to the pushback that I'm getting: -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- An event being the most important of any particular day doesn't mean it's the only thing that happened that day. There are very few dates that I would consider worthy enough to be redirected, such as 4 July 1776 for the Signing of the United States Declaration of Independence and 14 August 1945 for the Surrender of Japan, or more recently 7 October 2023 for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel and 24 February 2022 for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These are major events that have had significant cultural effects and the dates of which are unlikely to be forgotten in the public eye and which are the clear primary topics for those days. Most people worldwide today don't know that March 31, 2023 had a tornado outbreak, especially a year after the fact, and the same goes for May 20, 2013. They don't have the primary topic advantage my previous examples had, and either way, are receiving little traffic. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of primary topics are ambiguous—that's not a problem. Can you make the case for either of these dates that another event could plausibly be significant enough to rival the tornadoes? -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The problem here is a simple date is too ambiguous. It could be any event that happened on a specific day. I don't see how it's plausible to redirect days of a year to a tornado outbreak. The fact that these aren't getting traffic shows they arent needed to begin with. Noah, BSBATalk 16:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2023 March 31 and Portal:Current events/2013 May 20 respectively. Any event that happened on that day notable enough to be covered in a mainspace Wikipedia article should be listed there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep 2013 and 2023 redirects – I have to disagree with GeorgeMemulous and some of the others on this one. I was about to create and tag the 2013 redirect (with an R from date template) when I discovered it was under discussion. I think it and other tornado date redirects can be of use at least for us here at WP:Weather.
- Now that said, if there was something else really notable that occurred on those two dates, then it would be a different story and I’d probably be in favor of deleting or retargeting. But barring that, they’re useful to me, and probably to some of the others on WP:Weather, so I think they should be kept, even if there is a relatively small amount of traffic. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 18:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- As for the 1974 redirect that I appended onto this discussion; as the nominator of that redirect, I favor deleting it. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- And FYI @GeorgeMemulous, we actually do have a redirect to both of those dates you listed in your nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 18:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Although I am going to append another date redirect to your nomination that I do favor deleting, one I just created and realized that I got the date wrong. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I see that there is no clear policy when it comes to dates and redirects; redirection to Current Events is a WP:Cross-namespace redirect but either way they're the primary topic for those days. I might take this to the village pump to get some policy to be set in stone with date redirects. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep March 31, 2023 – When I Google
"March 31, 2023"
, majority of the results are the tornado outbreak (i.e. the redirect location). NOAA's webpage on the tornado outbreak (2nd result on Google) is titled "The Tornado Outbreak of March 31, 2023". First result is the outbreak's Wikipedia article. CNN's article for what happened on March 31, 2023 has the top thing being the Trump indictment (obviously not going to be known/associated with that date as a redirect), and the 2nd thing is the tornado outbreak..."A severe weather outbreak could impact nearly 70 million people today from the Mississippi Valley to the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys, meteorologists say.
" Here is a couple of other RS sources that use the date in association with the outbreak: [30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43]. In short, I do not think any other event is going to be known or associated well enough with that event for a redirect ("deletion") to Portal:Current events/2023 March 31 over the tornado outbreak. Unless someone can provide clear counter evidence as to why the outbreak is not the main topic associated with that date, I will remain keep for that redirect. As a fun P.S., the Trump indictment mentioned by CNN as the top story on March 31, 2023, is not even mentioned on Wikipedia's portal of current events for March 31, 2023. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- Because the Trump indictment was on March 30th. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to the respective current event pages as a more accurate target that does not significantly hurt the reader who is looking for the tornado article. Note this 2023 discussion with regard to mass-creating date redirects, if there remains some sort of appetite for that. J947 ‡ edits 05:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
List of characters in the Suikoden series
[edit]- List of characters in the Suikoden series → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lists of characters in the Suikoden series → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lists of Suikoden series characters → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of recurring characters in the Suikoden series → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list(s). * Pppery * it has begun... 00:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom. not present and the first one was entirely unsourced cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. If the goal is to preserve history I would be fine with moving to titles without "List of" (i.e characters in the Suikoden series) without leaving a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per arguments in Unmentioned Suikoden characters discussion (which actually apply more directly to these articles). While I don't think it's particularly necessary, I would have no objection to moving them to "Characters of Suikoden" to preserve merge history if that would be a compromise * Pppery * felt would aid things, as these characters are indeed covered in articles. SnowFire (talk) 02:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The article contains no list. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:54, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Unmentioned Suikoden characters (2)
[edit]- Gilbert (Suikoden) → Suikoden#Suikoden II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Valeria (Suikoden) → Suikoden#Valeria (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Viki (Suikoden) → Suikoden#Viki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Viki(Suikoden) → Suikoden#Viki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these are mentioned at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Viki(Suikoden) because there's no space between the title and the disambiguator. Unsure on the rest, though—they may not be mentioned, but as SnowFire says in the huge nomination below, the list of characters may be brought back with independent sourcing. I think these three should share the same fate as those in the huge nomination two nominations below this one (I am open to being swayed otherwise, though). Regards, SONIC678 06:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Viki(Suikoden) with {{Db-x3}}. Steel1943 (talk) 02:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but my arguments are in the other "Unmentioned Suikoden characters". Just seemed inefficient to rewrite this in several places and these used to all be on the same page, but I guess one was relisted without the other. Delete Viki(Suikoden) per Sonic678. SnowFire (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Viki(Suikoden) has already been deleted under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
List of characters in Suikoden
[edit]- List of Suikoden I characters → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of characters in Suikoden → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of recurring characters in Suikoden → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. If the goal is to preserve history I would be fine with moving to titles without "List of" (i.e Characters in Suikoden ) without leaving a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but my arguments are in the other "Unmentioned Suikoden characters". Just seemed inefficient to rewrite this in several places and these used to all be on the same page, but I guess one was relisted without the other. SnowFire (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The article contains no list. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Cincinnati Bengals (AFL)
[edit]- Cincinnati Bengals (AFL) → Cincinnati Bengals (1937–1941) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Should probably point to the modern Cincinnati Bengals, who also played in an American Football League. O.N.R. (talk) 02:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- WhatLinksHere and pageviews point towards most of this redirect's views being from links rather than searches, so if a retarget is made it's best to fix those links. J947 ‡ edits 05:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Carrotion
[edit]Not really a plausible phonetic misspelling, nor a plausible typo. Delete. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Google hits are a mix of things I can't work out (most prominent is a reference to a model of Volvo car, but I can't work out which one), misspellings of "corrosion" or OCR errors for words like "correction" and "collection". I did find one hit where I think it means "Carotene" (it's a comment about sun tan lotion that does have carotene in it) but it's presently inaccessible due to a server error so I can't verify that. Either way, one hit does not make a plausible misspelling error, especially when it's far more commonly (and plausibly) a spelling error for an entirely different word (corrosion). Thryduulf (talk) 01:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think it is an OCR error for carotene -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Could be, but like all misspellings, if it's a plausible misspelling or OCR error for multiple words, then it doesn't make a useful redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- There can be exceptions to that, e.g. if one use is very significantly more common in practice than any other, but that isn't the case here. I didn't find any examples of this being an OCR error for "Carotene", indeed it would be an unlikely OCR error (based on my experience) in a couple of ways: while "o" ↔ "n" is quite common, "e" → "n" is uncommon and "r" → "rr" is very unusual. Unlike human misspellings, where substituting single for double letters and vice versa is very common (it's probably the most common type of misspelling I make) OCR errors rarely change the number of vertical strokes, especially in the middle of words, even if they sometimes distribute them wrongly (e.g. "rn" ↔ "m" ↔ "in"). Thryduulf (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Could be, but like all misspellings, if it's a plausible misspelling or OCR error for multiple words, then it doesn't make a useful redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete per "what is this even a typo of?" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan try reading other people's comments. This doesn't seem to be a typo of anything, but it is a plausible but not overly common misspelling of "corrosion". Thryduulf (talk) 21:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I extracted this name from a 1954 chemical dictionary. This claims it is the same as carotin and carotine. In these dictionary carotene was not even given as a spelling. So it is not supposed to be a typo, but an alternative old spelling. But in my 1940 dictionary carotene is listed as the only form. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:43, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Symbolism (arts)
[edit]- Symbolism (arts) → Symbolism (movement) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Symbolism (art) → Symbolism (movement) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Symbolism in art → Symbolism (movement) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The most common use of symbolism in association with the arts is when a concrete element within a visual, literary, or other work of art is used to represent an abstract idea. Currently, the landing place for that type of symbolism seems to simply be Symbol. "Symbolism" as a specific 19th-century social movement is a much more narrow and obscure usage. Similarly worded redirects (namely Symbolism (art) and Symbolism in art) also ought to be redirected accordingly. Wolfdog (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Wolfdog I'm not certain I understand your nomination. Are you saying that Symbolism (arts) is targetting the correct place, but Symbolism (art) and Symbolism in art should be retargetted to match? Thryduulf (talk) 23:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is my first time using RFD, so excuse my inexperience but, no, I'm saying it's targeting the wrong place. It's currently targeting Symbolism (movement). Wolfdog (talk) 00:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, the target should be the current target of the redirect. I'll fix it and add the other redirects you mentioned to the nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 00:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh. Ok duh, haha, thanks. Should I clear out our above discussion? Wolfdog (talk) 00:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- No it's useful context. Thryduulf (talk) 00:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh. Ok duh, haha, thanks. Should I clear out our above discussion? Wolfdog (talk) 00:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, the target should be the current target of the redirect. I'll fix it and add the other redirects you mentioned to the nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 00:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is my first time using RFD, so excuse my inexperience but, no, I'm saying it's targeting the wrong place. It's currently targeting Symbolism (movement). Wolfdog (talk) 00:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As an incorrect disambiguation for where it's currently pointing. For the record, I agree with the move (though I believe (art movement) would have been a superior disambiguation to avoid confusion with Movement (music)) and believe that the concept of symbolism within art is notable, but should be at artistic symbolism. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
It's never lupus
[edit]- It's never lupus → House season 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Its never lupus → House season 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- It's not lupus → House season 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems as though these redirect formerly targeted You Don't Want to Know prior to that article being WP:BLARed last year. As it stands, the target article does not mention these phrases, and these phrases seem to be a quote, which may not be too helpful if it's targeting a episode page for a season of a television show. Steel1943 (talk) 21:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Even I, who never watch the program, know that's a reference to House. There should be a season page which is relevant, if the episode page has been deleted. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- They currently redirect to the most relevant season page, given their previous target. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've defended quotations as acceptable {{R without mention}}s before, figuring they can at least answer a reader wondering, "What was that from again?" Without an article on the specific episode that defied the trend, though, redirecting to the season seems more trouble than it's worth, especially given that the only mention of lupus on that page is the instance where it was lupus. Gregory House and House (TV series) seem equally likely targets, and I'd prefer either one over the current target. I'm not necessarily opposed to deletion, though. --BDD (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
!(*$
[edit]Can only be accomplished by holding the shift key during the entirety of typing as it will not occur with caps lock. Unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this is a fairly common problem with sticky keys. And of course sticky keys. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Comment Caps lock is disabled on my keyboard, so this could happen. And before you ask, I disabled caps lock because I hit it accidentally far more often than actually using it. Paradoctor (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a mind-bogglingly WP:UNNATURAL redirect. If someone has sticky keys turned on and botches a search, they can turn it off. There's no apparent reason why this particular string of digits (or any keyboard symbols for that matter) should be singled out to have such a redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible. Depending on the layout, it can happen with caps lock, but we don't need to help readers with search queries they would probably not expect themselves to work. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Grawlix (replacement of profanity by typographical symbols), similar to $@!%. That's what I expected when I saw this in the TOC and had to hunt for the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I specifically oppose such a retarget. I was even going to nominate the existing redirect for deletion, but just hadn't gotten to it yet. This is even more unlikely a string of punctuation symbols than the existing grawlix redirect, and would be inappropriate to redirect there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Grawlix is hard enough to find currently when you don't know what it is called. Searching for it using examples of it is extremely plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 00:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect won't make it any easier to find. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Really? By providing another example of it that may be closer to someone's search term and thus more likely to be found by search engines, etc. this will make that target easier to find for many people. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, really, and I find your insistence to the contrary bordering on bad-faith stubbornness. This specific sequence is just one of 5,040 such sequences containing 4 of the 10 symbols over the number keys without repeats. There are another 30,240 more if you use 5. And this is only on US keyboard layouts; considering others will add more. It's also one that's especially unlikely to be found due to the distances between consecutive symbols. Please, no cute little puppies will be harmed if this redirect is deleted. Just let this one go; it'll be okay. I promise. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, # cannot occur in titles, and I don't think parentheses that commonly occur in grawlix (though web search results sometimes show them, as well as ? or + as well). I agree that the distances between the symbols make this unlikely. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- The question is not whether puppies will die as a result of deleting this redirect, but whether deleting this redirect will improve the encyclopaedia for our readers. Neither you or anyone else has given a plausible reason why deletion is better than retargetting. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retargeting is misleading, and hence worse than deletion. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- How would retargetting an example of grawlix to the article on grawlix be misleading? Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- How would retargetting an example of grawlix to the article on grawlix be misleading? Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retargeting is misleading, and hence worse than deletion. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- Yes, really, and I find your insistence to the contrary bordering on bad-faith stubbornness. This specific sequence is just one of 5,040 such sequences containing 4 of the 10 symbols over the number keys without repeats. There are another 30,240 more if you use 5. And this is only on US keyboard layouts; considering others will add more. It's also one that's especially unlikely to be found due to the distances between consecutive symbols. Please, no cute little puppies will be harmed if this redirect is deleted. Just let this one go; it'll be okay. I promise. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Really? By providing another example of it that may be closer to someone's search term and thus more likely to be found by search engines, etc. this will make that target easier to find for many people. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect won't make it any easier to find. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Grawlix is hard enough to find currently when you don't know what it is called. Searching for it using examples of it is extremely plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 00:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I specifically oppose such a retarget. I was even going to nominate the existing redirect for deletion, but just hadn't gotten to it yet. This is even more unlikely a string of punctuation symbols than the existing grawlix redirect, and would be inappropriate to redirect there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it requires QWERTY to work, and not some other configuration -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's not a reason to delete (especially given that QWERTY is by the most common keyboard layout used by English speakers) and also completely irrelevant to the retargetting suggestion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect. It works with AZERTY etc, and even with Dvorjak. If you find this string standing alone it is almost certainly a mis-shift of 1984. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- Delete as implausible. I understand the point Thryduulf makes about possibly retargeting, but it seems unhelpful to me to have a redirect to grawlix for every possible combination of four symbols. There's no evidence that this specific combination is commonly used. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Grawlix. Alas, both google and nGrams can't search for punctuation, but I don't find this set of punctuation implausible for a profanity substitution. No, we don't need every single possible combination, but neither is there a reason to get rid of ones we already have, and we might as well make use of what's here. I agree that the more ways to find Grawlix, the better, as it is extremely plausible that someone might be trying to find it but have no !(*$ing clue what it's actually called. Fieari (talk) 23:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed we don't need every possbible combination, but search results are more likely to include the target if there is a redirect similar to your search term than if there isn't, so a variety will significantly increase the likelihood of someone finding what they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 00:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- Good point. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- Indeed we don't need every possbible combination, but search results are more likely to include the target if there is a redirect similar to your search term than if there isn't, so a variety will significantly increase the likelihood of someone finding what they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 00:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Either delete or retarget to Grawlix. The redirect exists now, bots will have indexed it, and it certainly shouldn't point to 1984 any more. — The Anome (talk) 07:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment/update: For the record, I prefer "delete" over "retarget to Grawlix" since strings that represent "Grawlix" can basically be any set of random punctuation marks, so it doesn't make sense that we should redirect a sequence there that is 1) no mentioned in the article, 2) not a notable sequence and 3) could potentially encourage the creation of similar randomized redirects (which I don't think we want to do.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- For the reasons explained above, a limited number of distinct sequences of Grawlix is something that we do want given the clear benefit to those searching for similar strings. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- And I don't agree for the reasons I already stated. Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Other than you don't thinking we want to do it, you haven't given any reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. 🤣 Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously, the only reason you have given that is relevant in any way to the reasons given for titles of this nature to redirect to Grawlix is "could potentially encourage the creation of similar randomized redirects (which I don't think we want to do.)" which is almost literally "I don't like it" (but with an arguable side-helping of WP:OTHERSTUFF). If you don't want to give any additional reasons, that's fine, but don't gaslight that you have given reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- ...Ain't no "gaslighting" ... just "stick dropping". Steel1943 (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously, the only reason you have given that is relevant in any way to the reasons given for titles of this nature to redirect to Grawlix is "could potentially encourage the creation of similar randomized redirects (which I don't think we want to do.)" which is almost literally "I don't like it" (but with an arguable side-helping of WP:OTHERSTUFF). If you don't want to give any additional reasons, that's fine, but don't gaslight that you have given reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. 🤣 Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Other than you don't thinking we want to do it, you haven't given any reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- And I don't agree for the reasons I already stated. Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- For the reasons explained above, a limited number of distinct sequences of Grawlix is something that we do want given the clear benefit to those searching for similar strings. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible redirect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Muhajir Province
[edit]- Muhajir Province → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Muhajir Province (Movement) → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Muhajir Province Movement → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Muhajir Province (Linguist Movement) → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Muhajir Province (Linguistic Movement) → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Muhajir Sooba → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This redirect points to its current target due to its former target, Muhajir Province (Movement) (title match but with a disambiguator, thus a WP:PRECISE violation), being subject to a total WP:BLAR which occurred a few months ago. Steel1943 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled Muhajir Province (Movement) in this. Notified the target page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as no such province exists in Pakistan. Wikibear47 (talk) 19:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Muhajir Province Movement, Muhajir Province (Linguist Movement), Muhajir Province (Linguistic Movement), and Muhajir Sooba. Retarget all to Mohajir Qaumi Movement Pakistan. Jay 💬 17:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed Wikibear47 (talk) 13:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relist to bundle Muhajir Province Movement, Muhajir Province (Linguist Movement), Muhajir Province (Linguistic Movement), and Muhajir Sooba with the discussion. Note: Muhajir Sooba is a {{R with history}}.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to Muhajir nationalism and add a section or sections. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- I am good with that target as well. Jay 💬 05:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Muhajir nationalism is good too. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Usurper King
[edit]- Usurper King → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Zant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There have been plenty of real historical figures described as usurper kings, including in some Wikipedia articles. This redirect is therefore too ambiguous to target to this character. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Usurper King is unambiguously Zant or at the very least the main topic, as a quick search confirms. If you can find another case where someone is called Usurper King in running text in 20th or 21st century English, then maybe we need a disambiguation page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Delete per nom; many many real kings have been labeled as usurpers over the centuries. The existence of this redirect is actively harmful, as it impedes searching within Wikipedia, the result of which reveals the phrase in wide use, so wide and general that even a DAB page would probably be too unwieldy to be helpful. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (or disambig) per Rich Farmbrough. None of the other uses found by the search use this a name or title for anybody, simply a description, they would be appropriate to include on a list of people described as "usurper king" or similarly titled list but only that. Deletion of this redirect would hinder readers finding the content about the character specifically named "Usurper King". Thryduulf (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now per above. GHits are mostly about Zelda. There's a book that calls Henry Bolingbroke the Usurper King but I think someone more knowledgeable about royalty to confirm if it's an actual notable nickname. --Lenticel (talk) 03:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- When I add "Henry" to the search term I do get a lot of hits for that English King, some of which use it as a sort of title, so I'd support adding a hatnote there as Zelda is the primary topic overall. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of usurpers, as lots of Kings have been called usurper in the history, and my feeling is that this list would take primacy outside of the internet (which is biased towards current culture). At the very least, I would suggest this list be hatnoted at whatever target is chosen. Yes, Henry Bolingbroke is on this list, but googling "kings who have been called usurpers" got me an instant results listing William the Conqueror, Stephen of Blois, Henry Bolingbroke, Edward IV, Richard III, and Henry Tudor immediately, so clearly historians have quite a few usurper kings in mind when they hear the term. Fieari (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is a difference between describing a king as a usurper and calling someone "Usurper King". Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete When I think "Usurper King", my mind would never go to Zant and I'm even a big fan of Twilight Princess. This is simply too vague to be targeted here. The IP is correct that it will disrupt legitimate searches. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
S-compact space
[edit]- S-compact space → Σ-compact space (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This seems to be a different concept that is not described anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: This is not a concept at all. If you look at the history for the S-compact space page, it was created by a bot in 2008, presumably because this bot automatically created such redirects because Σ-compact space also redirects to σ-compact space, and the bot converted the Greek letter to a Latin letter. Note from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/S-compact_space that there are no Wikipedia articles making use of this redirect. It would also be very confusing for anyone to use "S-compact space" with the meaning of "sigma-compact". No mathematician would understand what it means, as it has no meaning. Since "σ-compact space" already has a variety of redirects from many other names that make sense and without using Greek letters for those who have difficulty typing those (like "Sigma-compact space", etc), it seems to me that the best course of action is to delete the redirect "S-compact space". PatrickR2 (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I believe these redirects are typing aids. It's an error to imagine that someone wanting to access Σ-compact space will necessarily first think of Sigma-compact space. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- I believe these redirects are typing aids. It's an error to imagine that someone wanting to access Σ-compact space will necessarily first think of Sigma-compact space. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Keep [as a typing aid] [Maybe not significant but on the other hand, supporting dab] S-compact is used as a short form of strong locally compact, as if it is a standard notation, in Gompa, Raghu R. “What is ‘Locally Compact’?” Pi Mu Epsilon Journal 9, no. 6 (1992): 390–92. [44] It is used to describe certain bitopologial spaces in an apparently unconnected way here. It also seems to have a different use in fuzzy measure theory. However unless we cover these uses on Wikipedia (we don't as far as I can tell) this is a valid redirect. If we did at this page we should use a hatnote for sigma, otherwise a dab page might be in order. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Note that the article by Raghu is pretty idiosyncratic. Any undergraduate belonging (having belonged?) to the society can publish some writing there with their own notation. That does not make such notation notable. Pi Mu Epsilon Jouornal is not a peer reviewed journal and thus is not a reliable source. PatrickR2 (talk) 03:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Apart from the fact that bringing it up would seem to be an argument to retarget to Locally compact space#Formal definition (to which I just redirected strongly locally compact), not to keep.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that bringing up those other cases supports dab or retarget. However I did not consider myself knowledgeable enough to evaluate the strength of that support. For example I found another case of "S-compact space" where S is merely a place-holder, which I could discard. I didn't want to repeat myself, but I have added my motivation for keep to my !vote. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 Maybe a little off topic here, but why did you create a redirect from strongly locally compact, just based on the existence of an article in an undergraduate journal using that terminology? It is not because a random person introduced that terminology in a random journal that it should belong in Wikipedia. Additions to Wikipedia, at least for mathematics, should be based on notable facts. How do you justify this terminology is "notable"? Leaving this in wikipedia is also encouraging people to start using this non-notable terminology :-( PatrickR2 (talk) 04:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PatrickR2, I based my redirect on the inclusion (not added by me) of the phrase in the Locally compact space article (as well as a web search confirming the usage of this phrase – I barely ever create redirects
just based
on something singular). The article, in turn, cites Steen & Seebach's Counterexamples in Topology, which is convincing enough to me to leave it there. I did not realise that article also cited the Pi Mu Epsilon article until now; it likely shouldn't, but it appears to be only used as a source for the logical relations and not any terminology. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)- You keep creating these links "just in case". This is a misguided approach. If and when someone needs to link to 'locally compact" from "strongly locally compact", they can create the redirect at that time. It helps no one to create all these redirects if no one is going to use them. This is just gnome work gone overboard. Sorry for the rant, but it's not the first time ... PatrickR2 (talk) 02:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PatrickR2, I based my redirect on the inclusion (not added by me) of the phrase in the Locally compact space article (as well as a web search confirming the usage of this phrase – I barely ever create redirects
- (Apart from the fact that bringing it up would seem to be an argument to retarget to Locally compact space#Formal definition (to which I just redirected strongly locally compact), not to keep.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note that the article by Raghu is pretty idiosyncratic. Any undergraduate belonging (having belonged?) to the society can publish some writing there with their own notation. That does not make such notation notable. Pi Mu Epsilon Jouornal is not a peer reviewed journal and thus is not a reliable source. PatrickR2 (talk) 03:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I've found at least two more, different "S-compact"s just looking through the arXiv, all fairly obscure, and none of which seem to have any existing coverage on Wikipedia (that I can find, at least). Thus any target would be misleading, including substituting "S" for sigma. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Tebasaki
[edit]japanese deep fried chicken wing. defined on wiktionary, only mentioned in passing in other articles, and unmentioned in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- is this... a case of "thing, japan"? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nagoya cuisine All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
HJE
[edit]Used in many of our articles as an abbreviation for Hapoel Jerusalem F.C. (though not mentioned at that article). Jojoba ester includes this as an initialism of Hydrolyzed jojoba ester, and this appears to be an initialism of Hospital of St John and St Elizabeth. While important, I'm not fully sure the equation is the primary topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. The hospital is primary for me on Google, and slightly less clearly primary on a google search in a private window. Using Duck Duck Go via tor, the closest thing to a primary topic is a brand of fertiliser made by Howard Johnson's Enterprises (unrelated to Howard Johnson's based on limited research). Thryduulf (talk) 17:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Three letter acronyms are not knowledge. Johnjbarton (talk) 18:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Thryduulf. @Johnjbarton: Wikipedia has many pages for three-letter acronyms, since they're common search terms. We keep them for navigation, not because they're notable subjects requiring encyclopedic coverage. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa these pages are unnecessary. Whenever the search bar does not match a page it shows the pages which contain the corresponding content. Moreover, many or perhaps most searches are done at the internet level where the TLA will be disambiguated before landing in Wikipedia. Johnjbarton (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnjbarton: Unless you think this particular TLA is uniquely unnecessary, I think it would be better to have a discussion elsewhere about TLA pages in general. I would argue that the search results can't substitute for a disambiguation page, but it seems out of scope of this RfD. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa these pages are unnecessary. Whenever the search bar does not match a page it shows the pages which contain the corresponding content. Moreover, many or perhaps most searches are done at the internet level where the TLA will be disambiguated before landing in Wikipedia. Johnjbarton (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate No clear primary topic. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - There are multiple meanings for this TLA, so disambiguate it. The idea that we should not help users find the topic they are looking for just because they searched for a TLA is ridiculous. Fieari (talk) 05:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: draft provided. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Ingokho
[edit]apparently a kenyan synonym or name for... some chicken-related dish, probably. only mentioned in some kenya-related articles, of which i think the best bet would be ugali, but even there, it's only really mentioned in passing, and might be a little surprising cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RFOR Fieari (talk) 05:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Chikkin
[edit]ha ha hee hee. usually used as a comical spelling of "chicken". unmentioned and unimportant, but i'd honestly just retarget it to chicken as "actually pretty funny" and hope no one notices cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Chicken This is Scots for chicken, as well as a possible typo or spelling error for chicken. Note that Butter chicken is often, it seems, spelled this way. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Probably Chicken (disambiguation) is best Red Slash 22:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Chicken as plausible mispelling/phonetic spelling/eye dialect. Fieari (talk) 05:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Murgh
[edit]created as "urdu for 'chicken'", but apparently only sees use in the context of Indian curries, and doesn't seem to be mentioned outside of the page history, the previous discussion, and butter chicken. see also murg i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Retarget to Butter chicken (incidentally commonly known as "butter chikkin"). All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC).- Delete per nom and WP:FORRED. Retargeting as suggested above would be inappropriate too, since there's no particular reason to target this dish as opposed to any other chicken dish. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Chicken, has passed into English usage, see Wiktionary. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 01:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
Ramlochan Vishwakarma (Sanwariya)
[edit]- Ramlochan Vishwakarma (Sanwariya) → Ramlochan Vishwakarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently created misnomer. "Sanwariya" is the pen name of the subject, and there is no need for disambiguation. Paradoctor (talk) 15:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep perfectly standard and perfectly harmless {{R from other disambiguation}}. "No need" is not a reason to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 17:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- 'Keep per Thryduulf. We redirect from any known alternative names. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
Trial (TV series)
[edit]- Trial (TV series) → Goliath (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The "Trial" TV series has nothing at all to do with the "Goliath" TV series. I have attempted to start an article about the Trial TV series, but until this redirect is officially removed, any attempt to add content about Trial is immediately reverted back to the redirect. 12.116.29.106 (talk) 14:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trial (disambiguation)#Television as a plausible search term for either of the TV series named The Trial mentioned there. If you want an article about The BBC TV series you will need to write more than a single sentence and you will have to include sources that demonstrate notability. I recommend working on it in draft or userspace first, it can be moved over this redirect when it is ready (and a hatnote added to the dab page). Thryduulf (talk) 17:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trial (disambiguation)#Television per Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trial (disambiguation)#Television per Thryduulf and Presidentman. It's a more plausible target than the current one, especially given multiple ones with the name (OK, they might be called The Trial, but "Trial" is still a plausible name for them). Regards, SONIC678 21:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and include Goliath in dab page. It's not correct to say it has nothing to do with Goliath. This is a redirect from a move, and the edit summary mentions that the program was renamed, and even provides a link: http://www.thewrap.com/dwight-yoakam-billy-bob-thorton-amazon-goliath/ subtitle: Grammy winner will play aerospace company boss on David E. Kelley series formerly known as “Trial”. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
22:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC) - Retarget to Trial (disambiguation)#Television per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trial (disambiguation)#Television per above. I would not object to Goliath (TV series) being added to that list as the former name for the show per Rich, above. Fieari (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Sqecial relativity
[edit]- Sqecial relativity → Special relativity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be utterly implausible, and if the same typo were to occur in some other phrase involving "special", chances are the search will be obstructed by the existence of this single redirect (e.g., a search for "sqecial education" presents the reader with a single search result since this redirect exists and the target has the word "education", rather than the search engine fixing the typo). 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- belete per nom. p and q aren't close enough on a qwerty keyboard (which is what most people will use), and aren't phonetically similar enough to justify a mishearing. if you want to argue that they look alike, then please conveniently ignore b and d cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete that's literally a bit of a stretch for a plausible typo. --Lenticel (talk) 01:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Delete - While I would not be surprised to see my EFL students make this mistake while writing with a pencil, I don't think it is as likely to be typed given that keyboards typically show the capital letter version Q and P instead of the mistakable lowercase q and p. Fieari (talk) 05:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Special relativity (simplified)
[edit]- Special relativity (simplified) → Special relativity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wikipedia is not "simplifying" but describing in an encyclopaedic manner. Also WP:NOTFAQ and related. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete. simplified in relation to what? what is being simplified? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – This used to be a redirect to the article whose history is now at Introduction to special relativity. That article was merged into Special relativity, so the disambiguator (which I think was ill-formed in the first place) is now misleading. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete redirection. No one will search for that. - DVdm (talk) 17:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. We don't have any content relevant to this search term and it may hinder people finding the Simple English Wikipedia article (see also WP:RFOREIGN which is conceptually similar). Thryduulf (talk) 17:41, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep nearly 20 years old, don't break the world wide web. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- The content this originally referred to no longer exists. Making this clear to the reader seems to be more helpful than sending them to a different page. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- The deletion/redirect was on the basis that a) the article was not simplified and b) the introduction the target article did provide a simplified introduction. So it's a good place to send the reader. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 01:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- The deletion/redirect was on the basis that a) the article was not simplified and b) the introduction the target article did provide a simplified introduction. So it's a good place to send the reader. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 01:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- The content this originally referred to no longer exists. Making this clear to the reader seems to be more helpful than sending them to a different page. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete misleading. This is not Simple English Wikipedia simple:special relativity -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- That redirect was suggested at the deletion debate. However it is the Simple-English Wikipedia, not the English Simple Wikipedia. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 01:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
- You'll note that my opinion is to delete, because it is misleading, since it suggests that Simple English is here -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- That redirect was suggested at the deletion debate. However it is the Simple-English Wikipedia, not the English Simple Wikipedia. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 01:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC).
Lightlike separation
[edit]- Lightlike separation → Minkowski space (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; brief explanation exists at Lorentz transformation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- UPD: Searching for the adjective, Special relativity#Invariant interval appears to be a good target. (There should presumably be redirects from lightlike separated, timelike separated and spacelike separated as well.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: Why do you think this should have a different target from Lightlike? I don't see how they're distinct. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Causal structure only seems to talk about tangent vectors (and therefore does not mention "separation")... The redirects in the nomination below could point to Special relativity#Invariant interval as well, though that section could also be linking to the causal structure article. It's mostly an issue with how the content is organised. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: Thanks for explaining. I think lightlike shouldn't redirect to a target that's too specific to discuss non-tangent vectors, then – but that's for the discussion below. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Causal structure only seems to talk about tangent vectors (and therefore does not mention "separation")... The redirects in the nomination below could point to Special relativity#Invariant interval as well, though that section could also be linking to the causal structure article. It's mostly an issue with how the content is organised. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: Why do you think this should have a different target from Lightlike? I don't see how they're distinct. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Spacelike vector
[edit]- Spacelike vector → Minkowski space (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Timelike vector → Minkowski space#Causal structure (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lightlike → Minkowski space (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Light-like → Spacetime#Spacetime interval (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Spacelike → Spacetime#Spacetime interval (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Space-like → Spacetime#Space-like interval (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Timelike → Spacetime#Spacetime interval (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Time-like → Spacetime#Time-like interval (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should point at the same target, but it seems like Causal structure is the most appropriate option. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget all to causal structure. — The Anome (talk) 13:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget "Space-like"/etc "time-like"/etc "light-like"/etc to spacetime, where this is explained. These forms with "vector" attached should point to causal structure -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Missoes
[edit]i was going to retarget it back to missões and call it a day, but there's a non-zero chance that that could also apply to some plot points from the guaraní war, the seven peoples of the missions, or some other stuff i might be missing. kinda torn between just retargeting or considering dabifying at missões (in which case i'd probably take that to afd or something with the suggestion of retargeting it to missões, brazil) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
DcVD
[edit]Edward Johnson (footballer, born 1860)
[edit]- Edward Johnson (footballer, born 1860) → Edward Johnson (footballer, born 1859) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Edward Johnson (footballer born 1860) → Edward Johnson (footballer, born 1859) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Both available sources say that he was born in 1959, not 1960. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't mind, but you should fix the links. Corwin of Amber (talk) 09:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{R from move}}. The page was at Edward Johnson (footballer born 1860) (which I've added to this discussion) from creation in 2010 until 2014, and then at the title with a comma for ten years until April this year. Thryduulf (talk) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf, and tag with {{r from incorrect disambiguation}}. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Only delete redirects that are new or harmful All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 17:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as above - likely search term. GiantSnowman 18:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Soundtack for guitar hero world tour
[edit]- Soundtack for guitar hero world tour → List of songs in Guitar Hero World Tour (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is the final one of the questionably plausibly misspelled "soundtrack" redirects I'll be listing here for now. This thing used to be a stub article about the soundtrack (the initial version of which can be found here) for seven minutes on July 28, 2008 until it was turned into a redirect for the relevant section of the game's article, then about a month and a half later it was taken to the present target. It also hasn't been getting very many pageviews nowadays, so I'm not really sure we need to keep it lying around. Regards, SONIC678 06:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the metaphor "lying around" doesn't apply. If you hadn't raised this TfD, this TfD would have got no views, no votes, taken no disk space. It's so much cheaper to leave things like this than to have a discussion about them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
Jigarthanda (sountrack)
[edit]- Jigarthanda (sountrack) → Jigarthanda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm also listing this one separately because it spent most of its history being the title of and targeting the now deleted Jigarthanda (soundtrack). That page was eventually redirected to Jigarthanda (2014 film) (a page whose title used to be the current target's before Flooded with them hundreds moved it to its present title), yet the redirect stayed redirecting to Jigarthanda all these years since then. Plus, there's also Jigarthanda (2016 film) and Jigarthanda DoubleX (both of which also have soundtrack sections), so I'm not sure there's really a suitable alternative target. Because of this, I think we should delete it unless a justification can be provided. Regards, SONIC678 06:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: It's a typo. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – the absence of a page under the correctly-spelled title, and the lack of a good target, make this a bad {{r from misspelling}}. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack)
[edit]- Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack) → Khaidi No. 150 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm nominating this one separately because of its history—it apparently used to be an article about the movie's soundtrack until a deletion discussion in April 2017 (the participants of which that resulted in it being redirected to the current target. Aside from spikes in 2021 and 2022, it hasn't been getting very many pageviews since then, so I'm not 100% sure we need this lying around, plus I've also created the correctly spelled Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack) (which should help readers find the intended target), so I'd like to hear all your thoughts about this. Also, the participants of the deletion discussion (TheLongTone, Jennica, Bovineboy2008, Serial Number 54129, and Jo-Jo Eumerus) might want to weigh in on the matter, so I'm pinging them in case they have anything they might want to add. Regards, SONIC678 05:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Soundracks and sountracks
[edit]- Toomorrow (soundrack) → Toomorrow (soundtrack) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Open Season (soundrack) → Open Season (2006 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dil Chahta Hai (sountrack) → Dil Chahta Hai (soundtrack) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- High School Musical: The Musical: The Series: The Sountrack → High School Musical: The Musical: The Series: The Soundtrack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Film Sountrack → Soundtrack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Saw 3 Sountrack → Saw III#Music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These spellings of "soundtrack" are questionably plausible. Some of these redirects are leftovers from moves to the correctly spelled title, while others started out as redirects and/or really short articles that were eventually turned into redirects to their current targets. They haven't been getting very many pageviews lately (aside from a few spikes in 2021 and 2022 that have since quieted down), so I'm not sure we should have them lying around. Delete unless a justification can be provided and/or a better target can be found. Regards, SONIC678 05:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- 'Delete - I don't see a justification for keeping any of these. ~Kvng (talk) 17:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete bad parenthetical disambiguation since that's not a title typo, that is a disambiguator typo, and thus not part of the real name. As for the ones that serve as part of the real name, weak keep as a single character omission, thus a likely form of typo -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Unmentioned Suikoden characters
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- Alen (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Apple (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Barbarossa Rugner → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bright (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Camille (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clive (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gadget (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gadget Z → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gaspar (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Georg Prime → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grenseal → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hix (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Humphrey Mintz → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jeane (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Joshua Levenheit → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kasim Hazil → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kasumi (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kessler (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Killey → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kraze → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kun To → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kwanda Rosman → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leknaat → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leon Silverberg → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lepant → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lilly Pendragon → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lorelai (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lucia (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Maximillian (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melodye → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Milia (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Milich Oppenheimer → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Nash Latkje → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Neclord → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pesmerga → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ronnie Bell (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sarah (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sasarai → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sheena (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Silverberg family → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sonya Shulen → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stallion (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Templeton (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tengaar → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tuta (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Windy (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yam Koo → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these are mentioned at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all (applies to the above nominations as well; will C&P over there if necessary but it'll be the same discussion) per criterion 1 (these were all merged) and criterion 5 (they're useful - e.g. links from a disambig page or just searches on a character). It's also at least possible that the character lists could be brought back some day with better independent sourcing. Useful and harmless, best to let lie IMO. (See Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_11#Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_V for an example character list that was redirected, the redirect was nominated for deletion, the RFD failed and the page history was kept, and the article indeed came back later.) SnowFire (talk) 01:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a distinction between redirects which refer to the characters as a concept, like the discussion you linked to, redirects which refer to the characters as a list, and redirects which refer to individual characters. Suikoden characters or Characters of Suikoden would be fine as redirects based on the precedent you linked to (which I agree with), because the target does contain some discussion of the characters as a concept. List of characters in Suikoden is harmful because its existence misleadingly implies that the target contains, well, a list of characters in Suikoden, which it doesn't, thereby leaving any user confused. Redirects for individual characters likewise are harmful because they misleadingly imply Wikipedia has some content on the character when it doesn't. And in particular they're not useful for links on a disambiguation page because any such usage would fail WP:DABMENTION, and the fact that it would fail that guideline is hidden from most of its enforcers who probably don't check for this. And I don't think either part of WP:R#K1 actually applies - the history of most of these is Fandom-style content which is worse that starting from scratch if you were to try to build an article on one of the characters, and nothing needs to be legally kept since nothing was merged any further than the lists that I also think should be deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- List of characters in Suikoden contains significant page history that will be relevant if someone ever wants to attempt to restore these articles, and/or merge content from it. "Significant page history" is specifically a keep criterion at RFD. There's nothing misleading here at all: that was an article if someone follows some old links in the page history, and a redirect is the proper handle for it. Same for specific characters. There's no problem at all, and the standard at RFD is just "it's useful." I'm not saying that every single tiny piece of cruft has to be kept, if someone were to run around making redirects for every ability name or dungeon, but these all have non-trivial page histories and some of them are prominent characters where a redirect is useful (keep criterion 5).
- Would it change things if I said that I, personally, would find the page history useful? Because don't get me wrong, I do think that some of the list articles should come back, I just didn't want to bother fighting it out at a potential AFD unless I were to acquire sources that are probably in Japanese. But as the FF5 example shows, this absolutely can happen. I've worked on "serious" non-video gaming articles that were in weak, unsourced states, and generally the existing content - however problematic it was - was absolutely not worse than nothing, it was often quite helpful. SnowFire (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I see redirects as based on the present, not the past - it's misleading to have a "list of Xs" redirect that points to a page where there is no list of Xs. It's misleading to have a redirect point to a place where no discussion of the term being redirected exists. I think we're coming from points of view sufficiently different that neither of us will convince the other one of our position, so I'll leave it at that. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I guess, but this isn't just solely a matter of opinion with no right answer and just consensus. The RFD keep criteria are pretty explicit that "non-trivial page history" is indeed a reason to keep as is "useful to someone saying it's useful in good faith", both of which are met here. The characters of Suikoden are discussed in the relevant articles, if not to the depth the list formerly did. And just solely as a matter of practicality, rather than spend busywork deleting the redirects and requesting them to be recreated in userspace or the like, why not just let all the old redirects spring back to life if someone did write a modern-Wikipedia style Suikoden character list? (Not my main argument, but throwing that out there. Again, see the FF5 case - it seems by your logic, we should have deleted that article and all its redirects, then forced people wanting to recreate it to talk to an admin if they wanted to see the page history before recreating it and the redirects all later. For what advantage?) SnowFire (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with the claim that deleting redirects that are unhelpful to readers is
busywork
. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with the claim that deleting redirects that are unhelpful to readers is
- +1 Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943, given your vote below, I suppose you are trying to +1 my comment and not SnowFire's? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- My indents don't lie! Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, it was about Pppery's altogether? Looks like I was confused by CD's indent lines due to the +1. Though I guess that's what the "Go to parent comment" button is for! 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- My indents don't lie! Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943, given your vote below, I suppose you are trying to +1 my comment and not SnowFire's? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess, but this isn't just solely a matter of opinion with no right answer and just consensus. The RFD keep criteria are pretty explicit that "non-trivial page history" is indeed a reason to keep as is "useful to someone saying it's useful in good faith", both of which are met here. The characters of Suikoden are discussed in the relevant articles, if not to the depth the list formerly did. And just solely as a matter of practicality, rather than spend busywork deleting the redirects and requesting them to be recreated in userspace or the like, why not just let all the old redirects spring back to life if someone did write a modern-Wikipedia style Suikoden character list? (Not my main argument, but throwing that out there. Again, see the FF5 case - it seems by your logic, we should have deleted that article and all its redirects, then forced people wanting to recreate it to talk to an admin if they wanted to see the page history before recreating it and the redirects all later. For what advantage?) SnowFire (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I see redirects as based on the present, not the past - it's misleading to have a "list of Xs" redirect that points to a page where there is no list of Xs. It's misleading to have a redirect point to a place where no discussion of the term being redirected exists. I think we're coming from points of view sufficiently different that neither of us will convince the other one of our position, so I'll leave it at that. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a distinction between redirects which refer to the characters as a concept, like the discussion you linked to, redirects which refer to the characters as a list, and redirects which refer to individual characters. Suikoden characters or Characters of Suikoden would be fine as redirects based on the precedent you linked to (which I agree with), because the target does contain some discussion of the characters as a concept. List of characters in Suikoden is harmful because its existence misleadingly implies that the target contains, well, a list of characters in Suikoden, which it doesn't, thereby leaving any user confused. Redirects for individual characters likewise are harmful because they misleadingly imply Wikipedia has some content on the character when it doesn't. And in particular they're not useful for links on a disambiguation page because any such usage would fail WP:DABMENTION, and the fact that it would fail that guideline is hidden from most of its enforcers who probably don't check for this. And I don't think either part of WP:R#K1 actually applies - the history of most of these is Fandom-style content which is worse that starting from scratch if you were to try to build an article on one of the characters, and nothing needs to be legally kept since nothing was merged any further than the lists that I also think should be deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep All for nontrivial history preservation and the usefulness to someone. WP:CHEAP applies, and I don't buy the argument that it is harmful. I don't think WP:LEAST would be violated if someone was redirected to this target, even if information is currently lacking, and there is a good faith statement above that these characters may have enough sources to be considered notable by wikipedia standards in the future, which I will accept at face value. Fieari (talk) 00:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- wouldn't the same logic that states that individual unnotable fire emblem character redirects (like matthew) should get deleted apply here? this seems a little too indiscriminate for me cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. If they are not there, they are not there. Having readers being forwarded to the target article when there is literally nothing there about the redirects' subjects is misleading. If there is a concern with the histories of any of these redirects, consider restoring them and sending them to WP:AFD. Steel1943 (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- To put this in perspective, the WP:RCAT template {{R without mention}} puts the page into a maintenance category called Category:Redirects to an article without mention. The purpose of the aforementioned category is essentially a maintenance backlog; the category is meant to be empty, which means either the redirects that are tagged with this template should be deleted, or a mention of the redirects should be added to the target article. None of the "keep" votes yet have addressed this hypocrisy. If neither of the aforementioned actions are taken, it is akin to throwing the redirects back into the same maintenance backlog they were already in, resulting in no progress to improving the encyclopedia. Steel1943 (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why would relevant histories mean that they should go to AFD? Nobody is advocating bringing back the character-specific articles, so there's no point in AFD, it's a matter for RFD.
- As far as the maintenance category, I'm sure that there are literally thousands of redirects that "should" be in that category but are actually harmless and "useful" and would be kept in hypothetical well-attended RFD arguments. We routinely have minor redirects for a variety of reasons, including preserving page histories and being useful. RFD Keep #5 is quite direct: if you want to improve the encyclopedia, just let useful-but-minor redirects exist. They're fine. SnowFire (talk) 02:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- No kidding that this is RfD and not AfD. However, the way that you have been referring to these redirects makes me believe that the existence of these redirects formerly as articles or being mentioned at the target before validates them existing as redirects. That is not the case, it causes problems, and I don't feel like repeating my arguments that I stated earlier, which are still valid and refute this point. My AfD comment was catering to the "keep" votes above, but I'd rather these redirects be deleted immediately. The redirects are not "fine" and are currently not "useful" since readers will find nothing about the subjects of the redirects at the target. Steel1943 (talk) 05:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- To put this in perspective, the WP:RCAT template {{R without mention}} puts the page into a maintenance category called Category:Redirects to an article without mention. The purpose of the aforementioned category is essentially a maintenance backlog; the category is meant to be empty, which means either the redirects that are tagged with this template should be deleted, or a mention of the redirects should be added to the target article. None of the "keep" votes yet have addressed this hypocrisy. If neither of the aforementioned actions are taken, it is akin to throwing the redirects back into the same maintenance backlog they were already in, resulting in no progress to improving the encyclopedia. Steel1943 (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete most per Steel1943. Most of these never had any sources, and all of these which existed as articles it was for around a year or less, but some were created as redirects. The ones which had sources, and so I am neutral between restoring or deleting (but oppose keeping as redirects to an article which does not discuss them) are: Barbarossa Rugner, Camille (Suikoden), Georg Prime (also could be retargeted to George Prime), Windy (Suikoden) and Silverberg family. Nash Latkje seemed to sort of have a source but it's a broken link (not formatted correctly on wikipedia) so maybe that falls in the same category. Kraze had a source, but also seems like it could refer to many things, for example Kraze United or a misspelling of craze, so not sure about that one either, perhaps some kind of dab. A7V2 (talk) 01:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
YOU SUCK!
[edit]- YOU SUCK! → Atlantic Records#2000s (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a generic insult. People are going to be astonished to see it point to a decades-old vandalism incident. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong strong strong strong strong strong strong delete — should’ve speedied it. Roasted (talk) 01:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, it's explained at the target. While it is 'generic', are there any other noteworthy instances of "YOU SUCK!"? -- Tavix (talk) 02:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep unless someone can show ambiguity. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the proper target is Wikipedia in culture not Atlantic Records for the Weird Al incident. But there are other uses. See You Suck (disambiguation) which should be the target of the redirect (along with redirects You Suck and you suck) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head, some notable-ish examples include shao kahn's wacky taunt and a ranking screen in pizza tower
- i guess the best option would be retargeting to the dab cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to You Suck (disambiguation) Web searches do not indicate that the vandalism incident is the primary topic, even when appending "Wikipedia" to the search. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but put a hatnote to You Suck (disambiguation) at the target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to You Suck (disambiguation), since I don't quite think there's enough evidence that this is the primary topic, but a link to Atlantic Records#2000s should definitely be added to that DAB to make sure that those looking for it can find it (the White & Nerdy link is insufficient). Fieari (talk) 00:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to White & Nerdy#Music video mention. That's the phrase's origin and thus the most direct reference. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Strong strong strong strong strong strong strong neutral. This is not just random profanity, as is a particularly notable (I am using the normal English word "notable" here -- not the bizarrely convoluted Wikipedia definition) reference to a music video that was rather famous back in the day. One would think it should redirect to something about that music video, though, rather than the target of the insult in it. jp×g🗯️ 14:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and hatnote. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:54, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
Ansem
[edit]weird case, bordering on nonsensical. read at your own risk, this is the most simple and clean way i can possibly put it. "ansem" refers to two characters in kingdom hearts. one is a nerd who likes cosplaying as a mummy, listed here, and the other is a xehanort who stole the name because boys will be boys i guess. the xehanort seems to be the primary topic (if only because he popped up first and is hotter), but not by much, and kh discourse pretty often disambiguates things by referring to the latter as "ansem, (the) seeker of darkness" (or sod) and the former as "ansem the wise". this title has previously been used for redirects for both ansems and a dab for... both ansems (plus two people who were mistaken for an ansem for a few seconds each). opinions on... really, anything? cogsan (χ-BLADE!) (ouchie ouch) 17:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and then add Hatnote to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Ansem the Wise. Xenahort is probably the primary topic as he is a main antagonist. Ansem the Wise seems to be more of a side character/ plot twist. --Lenticel (talk) 00:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- the assessment of ansem (ansem, not ansem) is... not wrong, and i don't know if i love or hate that fact cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add a hatnote to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Ansem the Wise - per Lenticel, also Ansem, Seeker of Darkness was created first, predating Ansem the Wise's introduction by 2 years (and the name by nearly 4 years). (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget to Characters of Kingdom Hearts where both are mentioned; add a hatnote for Ansem Smart (アンセム・スマート) who appears in Let This Grieving Soul Retire! -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Ferruginous Hawk,
[edit]- Ferruginous Hawk, → Ferruginous hawk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect with only a comma at the end; previously refused R3 Leonidlednev (T, C, L) 16:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom. seems the redirect may have been misread by the admin when refusing speedy deletion, which is kind of funny, cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom and cosgan. Even without the capitalization, hurting things here, the comma at the end, makes this redirect implausible. Regards, SONIC678, 23:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it was only created last month and has always been a redirect and should IMO have been deleted as R3 but anyway WP:UNNATURAL applies. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
A?
[edit]Not mentioned in article. Edit summary for creation says "look at the logo" but the logo is "A!" mwwv converse∫edits 17:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The old logo when the redir was created in 2022 was "A?", as still shown on it's page in Finnish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zinderboff (talk • contribs) 18:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete as vague, regardless of previous logos. seemingly not well-covered enough to warrant keeping, very unlikely that it's the primary topic for a common letter followed by one of two common punctuation marks. also, come on, there's no apostrophe in "its" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Cogsan. In addition, this could plausibly be a phonetic misspelling of Eh?. Steel1943 (talk) 19:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to A (disambiguation), and itemize there (the university can be listed with 'A?', 'A!', 'A"' (A-double-quote) logo variants; other uses of "A?" can also be listed -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Don't delete — valid search term based on the university logo, but still vague. So leaning towards retargetting to the DAB page. Cremastra (talk) 21:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- NOTE A! has also been nominated at RfD -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
History of Jats
[edit]- History of Jats → History of Jats (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete the relic after moving to garbage-free name (initial U+200C - ZWNJ). (Not sure if there even is a "R from …" temporary template for similar bad redirs.) —Mykhal (talk) 12:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- To translate that nomination rationale: The initial character of this redirect is not "H" but a zero-width non-joiner non-printing character. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the redirect was at this title for six days from creation until about 25 minutes before this nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 14:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - 6 days is short enough that this shouldn't create link rot. Presumably created in error (assuming good faith), so let's clean it up. In the unlikely possibility others disagree and !vote keep, then we should at least retarget it to Jats#History to avoid the double redirect... but I think we'll be deleting this one. Fieari (talk) 01:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom. i don't think anyone would ever willingly type a zwnj in the search function expecting anything besides zwnj itself, and it doesn't seem like anyone has linked to it by accident or otherwise in those 6 days, so... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Code phrase
[edit]vague? could refer to passwords or code words, for starters cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to code word (figure of speech) appears right, with a hatnote to passphrase. Euphemism is way too broad to serve as target. Paradoctor (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Paradoctor, "euphemisim" is too broad and imprecise; code word (a disambiguation page) seems to cover all the options here, and is my preferred new target, rather than trying to cover contingencies with hatnotes. "Hooray, hooray, for the spinster's sister's daughter!" Cremastra (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Code word (figure of speech). The code word disambiguation page actually doesn't have any targets besides this one that fit a code phrase... the other links have to do with the exact match of "code word", like boardgames and puzzles by that name. While the DAB page does have this link, I don't see any reason to send our searcher there. Fieari (talk) 05:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the code word dab, as it has the passcode, access code meanings that Code word (figure of speech) doesn't. Jay 💬 09:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Jay. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Code word. --BDD (talk) 17:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Stray (film)
[edit]- Stray (film) → Stray#Film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I just made this edit to Stray regarding the subject mentioned at Stray (video game)#Film adaptation. However, it seems this subject may be the only film subject on Wikipedia titled just "Stray" without "A" or "The" before it, or the plural version "Strays". (See the redirect's current target for more details). For this reason, I am bringing up this discussion to see if my initial thought is a better option that the alternative I implemented: retarget to Stray (video game)#Film adaptation and then add a hatnote there referring back to Stray#Film in the case of ambiguity. Also note the existence of Draft:Stray (film), a draft about the subject mentioned in Stray (video game)#Film adaptation. Steel1943 (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The Stray (film) is a separate article unlike the film here and per WP:SMALLDETAILS "The Stray" is a variant of "Stray" so the absence likely doesn't distingish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - I don't think the upcoming new film warrants being the WP:PTOPIC (yet), so the DAB should be the target. The new film is located at the DAB, so no worries there. Fieari (talk) 03:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Reports of black cougars in the United States
[edit]- Reports of black cougars in the United States → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the United States of America → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the US → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the USA → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black panthers in Australia → Black panther#Reports of black panthers in Australia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only mention of something resembling this on the English Wikipedia that I could find is Piney_Woods#Folklore, but I'm not sure if this is the only thing a reader could be looking for (and that only applies to the USA redirects). 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- 1234qwer1234qwer4, apparently the former was essentially blanked by a vandal back in 2012, and never restored. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice catch, @Qwerfjkl. Apparently the section on cougars (cf. Black cougar) was also recently unilaterally removed by @BhagyaMani, who might want to comment here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was just playing around with w:de:Benutzer:Schnark/js/artikel-statistik on the article and happened to notice it. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I did. At the time, I did not find any WP:RS about black cougar being called black panther, nor any better source than the one referenced in this section stating that
there is no authenticated
record. BhagyaMani (talk) 18:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- BhagyaMani, not particularly reliable, but there's https://fishgame.com/2020/01/black-cougars-dont-exist/ which suggests there is some mix-up here. The section seems to be about actual black cougars, rather than the misidentification of black panthers as such. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice catch, @Qwerfjkl. Apparently the section on cougars (cf. Black cougar) was also recently unilaterally removed by @BhagyaMani, who might want to comment here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and restore the section. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Enwiki has nothing about reports of black cougars in the United States. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hunger protest in Nigeria
[edit]- Hunger protest in Nigeria → End Bad Governance protests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hunger protests in Nigeria → End Bad Governance protests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Too vague. I highly doubt that there has been more than one hunger protest in the history of Nigeria. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete just as nom stated. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 01:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would List of protests in Nigeria be a better target. I do think that this target needs expansion. --Lenticel (talk) 00:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- To the nominator, Hunger protests in Nigeria has not been tagged as being part of this discussion and I'm guessing the redirect creator has not been notified. Liz Read! Talk! 07:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've tagged that redirect, it was created by the same editor as the singular who was given a notice about this discussion by 1ctinus when nominating so I've not left a second. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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Jimmy Hernandez
[edit]- Jimmy Hernandez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, though does occur at Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums#In_popular_culture and Carl_Johnson_(Grand_Theft_Auto)#Return_to_Los_Santos. There is an unrelated person at African_diaspora_in_Finland#Sportspeople and another one at Omar_Rodríguez-López#Startled_Calf_(1991–1992), however, so I'm not sure this redirect is appropriate without further disambiguation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment @Un assiolo: and others, the linked rfd was closed as delete. Thryduulf (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Back O' Beyond
[edit]- Back O' Beyond → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We don't seem to have content on this fictional location, and all search result on Wikipedia are passing mentions (of unrelated topics). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think we need a Back of beyond disambiguation page, linking to wikt:Back of beyond, Back of Beyond, The Back of Beyond, several mentions (a Caribbean film, a play), and similar terms like Boondocks, Black stump, Woop Woop. This would redirect there if there is enough to merit a dab entry. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a new disambiguation page per Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Are you volunteering to do this, 64.229.88.34? Please get started. Liz Read! Talk! 04:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- We could just build the disambiguation page at this location, and then move it to the proposed location by Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 02:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to new disambiguation page at Back of Beyond, the film having been moved to Back of Beyond (film), and to which Back of beyond now redirects. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- For clarity (as I misread it) Back of beyond now redirects to the disambiguation page that has been created at Back of Beyond, not to the film. Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab at Back of Beyond that Shhhnotsoloud has created per my earlier comments. Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Darklighter
[edit]- Darklighter → Garrick Hagon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Has some contention over the target of this redirect - whether to redirect to the fictional concept in Charmed (TV series) or one of the Star Wars characters (Biggs Darklighter or apparently his actor). I just moved some history to Darklighter (Charmed) which has some links. No strong opinion on final outcome. Izno (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Biggs Darklighter should lead to List of Star Wars characters#Biggs Darklighter ;; there also being Gavin Darklighter , Empire Volume 2: Darklighter ;; SEEALSO ;; a see also for ;: Dark Light (disambiguation) ;; there also being "dark lighting" or Low-key lighting ;; there also being a "dark highlighter" in makeup ;; there also being dark lightning -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Quran Afghanistan
[edit]- Quran Afghanistan → World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Quran in Afghanistan → World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Very general term; this Quran doesn't come up in the entire first page of google results. I'm not seeing a primary topic here. Rusalkii (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Likewise Quran in Afghanistan . 19:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs)
- I've added that to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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- This is not an XY situation at all, as the redirect only refers to a single topic. It may or may not be vague or ambiguous, but it isn't XY. Thryduulf (talk) Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Häxans förbannelser
[edit]- Häxans förbannelser → Noidan kirot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Haxans forbannelser → Noidan kirot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target (nor at the fiwiki sitelink). It doesn't seem like this is directly related? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – seems to be an alternative Swedish title. Cremastra (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Yonama dialect
[edit]- Yonama dialect → Tokunoshima language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No search hits on the target page or on Google. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- The placename Yonama (与那間) in Tokunoshima actually exists, so it's probably an undocumented dialect that's only extracted by the existence of the toponym. If that's the case, it can be deleted.
- My redirects were taken from a .xlsx spreadsheet concerning metadata of Ryukyuan dialects, which is located in the .zip below.
- https://repository.ninjal.ac.jp/records/2000162 Chuterix (talk) 11:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Vocational education and training centers
[edit]- Vocational education and training centers → Xinjiang internment camps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Vocational education and training centers is really vague and the first thing I think of is not China. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vocational school. I'm guessing the internment camps got a nickname at some point, possibly as a euphemism to avoid censorship, but it seems that this search term should just go to the most obvious target. Fieari (talk) 06:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vocational school. I think this description has been used for the camps in Xinjiang, but certainly not only for that topic, so the current target is at best too narrow. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vocational school makes the most sense to me as well. Dr vulpes (Talk) 22:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vocational school per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The article clearly says, in a sourced piece of text, in the first sentence of the article, "officially called vocational education and training centers". The article Vocational school does not mention the phrase "vocational education and training center". Put a better hatnote at the target if you like but "the first thing I think of" is often not a very good way of determining a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
UTRS
[edit]- UTRS → Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Potentially confusing WP:XNR; this is mentioned in GSM-R and in RMMV HX range of tactical trucks as an abbreviation for something else. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- disambiguate -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate with a link to Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System included. If someone needs UTRS, there's no reason to make it harder to find. Skynxnex (talk) 14:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig, including a {{self-reference}} per Skynxnex. Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig as others have said.--v/r - TP 00:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Summary style
[edit]- Summary style → Wikipedia:Summary style (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This seems like a plausible generic search and an unhelpful WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non-reader content redirect outside of articlespace; this could refer to how to style a precis or brief -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete potentially confusing WP:CNR that could, theoretically, be expanded into a mainspace article, so WP:REDYES applies. Fieari (talk) 07:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Summary news style redirects to Inverted pyramid (journalism), I've not found any other uses but searches are overwhelmed by maintenance templates and excluding them may have resulted in excluding encyclopaedic uses too. Thryduulf (talk) 14:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not a Wikipedia specific term though after the AL Overview the target and redirect show up in Google none of the other results are for the target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Third Lebanon War
[edit]- Third Lebanon War → Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No evidence that this conflict is known as the "Third Lebanon war", and it isn't even mentioned at target either. CycloneYoris talk! 22:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: It is easy to concieve of this as being a common search term given media reporting. E.g., The Jerusalem Post states "Israel’s Third Lebanon War is underway". TarnishedPathtalk 06:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete First off, the comments above by non EC editors should be discounted per WP:ARBECR as such editor~s may only make edit requests and cannot participate in consensus forming discussions. Secondly, this redirect arose as a result of an undiscussed page move that was undone. There is so far little evidence that the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) will escalate into a third war, limited incursions notwithstanding, although that is of course possible in the future.Selfstudier (talk) 10:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Selfstudier, I've removed the non EC editors' comments per WP:ARBECR. TarnishedPathtalk 12:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep plenty of sources using the term to describe this conflict and I've not found any uses of the term to refer to other conflicts. As a second choice, this could be retargetted to the Lebanon War disambiguation page, but in practice this doesn't seem ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep plenty of sources are referring to this as the Third Lebanon War so I'd imagine its a reasonably common search term, besides there is not exactly any other war that could be considered a third lebanon war so anyone searching that is looking for what we redirect them to. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 13:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A lot of places say invasion and we don't have an official name for it. Don't want people to mix it up with other events because we gave it a name ourselves, that's not the role of Wikipedia. Maybe at some point in the future there will be a name used across the board, but it's not like we have a crystal ball to see that future. I propose that until then we just use the same description in the majority of outlets instead of selective snippets that could be seen as biased. Similar logic was used when discussing "War in Afghanistan" being proposed as 'Afghanistan War' aswell as being used against proposals for the "Covid Recession" being called a bunch of other names and there are more examples in naming of other current events but I dont want to get too far off topic. My point is that right now it's far too early to think about this kind of move and/or redirect. Dasein (talk) 23:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- This discussion is not about what the name of the article is or should be, it's solely about whether "Third Lebanon War" is a useful search term for anything, and if so what it is a useful search term for. Thryduulf (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's about redirects, redirects using alternate names. I mean anybody can search for anything using any term or description. The important part is whether or not it's reasonable. I'm making the case that this isn't a relevant term to use for redirects atm. A few niche news articles alongside the rest (which describe it very differently) doesn't seem like it's enough. Besides shouldn't a war have a separate page to this rather than be a redirect? Dasein (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- So yes, I stand by my point even if wording could've been handled better. I feel the same reasoning would apply here. If it was a useful search term then it'd be so for anything that follows the invasion, right? Where relations/wider conflict is one thing, current invasion would be an event in said wider conflict, and any subsequent war (not that we have crystal balls) would be another thing with its own page and more apt for having a redirect like this (if it's a commonly used/reasonably assumed search term at the time anyway) I refer back to what I said about the sources used to initially justify it also being an issue which is why I don't think it's a good fit at all right now. Hence my stance currently being Delete. Dasein (talk) 22:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's about redirects, redirects using alternate names. I mean anybody can search for anything using any term or description. The important part is whether or not it's reasonable. I'm making the case that this isn't a relevant term to use for redirects atm. A few niche news articles alongside the rest (which describe it very differently) doesn't seem like it's enough. Besides shouldn't a war have a separate page to this rather than be a redirect? Dasein (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- This discussion is not about what the name of the article is or should be, it's solely about whether "Third Lebanon War" is a useful search term for anything, and if so what it is a useful search term for. Thryduulf (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, reliable sources have described the conflict as such. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 16:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but lean retarget to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Otherwise a reasonable search term. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but retarget to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. See Talk:2024_Israeli_invasion_of_Lebanon#Requested_move_3_October_2024 where it is being discussed to rename that article to "Third Lebanon War". The consensus appears opposed (including my own opposition), since this appears to be primarily (albeit not exclusively) a term used by Israeli sources, and hence represents an Israel-centric perspective. However, Israel-centric terms still make good candidates to be redirects to more neutral terms, since obviously some readers (especially Israeli or Jewish or pro-Israel readers) are likely to be using them as search terms. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 22:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
GNOME Maps
[edit]GNOME Tour
[edit]Shamrock Airport
[edit]- Shamrock Airport → List of airports in Texas#Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Targets a list-class article that contains no specific information about the subject. The subject itself seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:NBUILD due to a lack of coverage in WP:SECONDARY sources excluding WP:ROTM mentions in aviation-related government and navigational databases, so it is unlikely that the redirect will ever warrant replacement with a full-blown article. Carguychris (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirects don't have to meet WP:N (and don't have to have potential to be standalone articles) and particularly since the target has information about the airport that's most closely named to Shamrock Airport this is a generally useful redirect. Skynxnex (talk) 19:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Brooklyn Airport, which has "Shamrock Airport" as an alternative name per the signage photo in the article. Targeting a prose article seems more helpful to readers, and a hatnote can always be added if necessary to the list. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Mentioned at the target, which also has a hatnote to Brooklyn Airport. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Various Redirects ending in \
[edit]- Tim Weed\ → Tim Weed (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TF-2000 class frigate/MEKO-A\ → TF-2000-class destroyer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CCCP\ → Soviet Union (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mode of operation\ → Block cipher mode of operation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bring a plate\ → Potluck (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear to be created in error, though it appears WP:UNNATURAL and gets approximately zero monthly page views. I'm not sure what the backslash has to do with the topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Bundling these for convenience, all have basically the same nomination rationale and similar feature. Fieari (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All - Implausible typo, evidence being that they are basically unused per pageviews. Fieari (talk) 07:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. I strongly suspect these are typos from people who are using US keyboards where \ is adjacent to enter (especially if they are used to UK-layout keyboards where the enter key occupies both spaces), but the same typo could be made for literally any page title and page view evidence suggests they aren't commonly used search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note though that TF-2000 class frigate/MEKO-A doesn't exist. I have no opinion whether that is a useful search term for the target or not. Thryduulf (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf, said page was moved to TF-2000 class frigate(MEKO-A) later. My original nomination for this redirect (which got deleted after bundling) also contained that the target page does not mention "MEKO-A". 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for missing that difference when bundling. Mea culpa, you did mention that. Fieari (talk) 01:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf, said page was moved to TF-2000 class frigate(MEKO-A) later. My original nomination for this redirect (which got deleted after bundling) also contained that the target page does not mention "MEKO-A". 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note though that TF-2000 class frigate/MEKO-A doesn't exist. I have no opinion whether that is a useful search term for the target or not. Thryduulf (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per Fieari. mwwv converse∫edits 16:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all these errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
TH hOLLOW TREE
[edit]- TH hOLLOW TREE → The Hollow Tree (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Appears to be a completely implausible redirect. This was the title of the page for roughly half an hour. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible, no useful history. Fieari (talk) 07:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete. that's a typo, a caps lock error, and that caps lock error being limited to a single word. i don't trust anyone over the age of zygote to make this many mistakes in a single search cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The caps lock error is entirely plausible for someone attempting to type "The Hollow tree" or "the Hollow tree" (the automatic capitalisation of the first letter means the two are indistinguishable), and I explicitly do not endorse the personal attack on the redirect creator. However plausible the caps lock error is or isn't as a search term in isolation though, it definitely is not useful in combination with the missing "e" of "The". Thryduulf (talk) 14:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if the logo or other sources used this specific capitalization then it may be plausable but since it doesn't appear sources do and the logo clearly doesn't its WP:UNNATURAL. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Shiro sAGISU
[edit]- Shiro sAGISU → Shirō Sagisu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was part of a mass nomination in 2019, but I suggest reconsidering this WP:UNNATURAL error that seems to be rather clearly created in error. See also the recent Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#NURALIZA oSMAN. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this does seem natural, as some people style surnames in all caps, and the mistyped first letter failed to be SHIFTED -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep Gets somewhere around 5 hits a year, plus or minus one or two. The plausibility of this typo revolves around accidentally hitting the capslock key at the same time they hit shift for the second word. I don't feel strongly about it, but it seems harmless and WP:CHEAP to keep around, given that it does get some small consistent use over time. Fieari (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete as at least 2 layers of malformed that the search function can cover anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is only 1-error here. The correct spelling is "Shiro SAGISU" with stylization that the surname is capitalized [45] and with this particular romanization without the macron. Or you could consider it an unaccented redirect {{R without diacritics}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:37, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The correctly-capitalized Shiro Sagisu exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
IMAX theatre at iSQUARE
[edit]- IMAX theatre at iSQUARE → ISQUARE (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of said theatre at target. I guess List_of_cinemas_in_Hong_Kong#UA_Cinemas could be an alternative. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
The center for teaching and learning
[edit]- The center for teaching and learning → Edgecomb, Maine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target article (this is a redirect left from a page move long ago when moved to Center for Teaching and Learning which was first BLAR'd to the locality the school in question was in and now has been redirected to be a general article about educational centers. Given this has a leading "the" I have a preference to deletion but think retarget to Teaching and learning center or a better target if found would be fine too. Skynxnex (talk) 17:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete: I'm the editor who created the redirect 11 years ago while stub-sorting, by moving the non-notable school article to a better title. PamD 18:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)- I'm trying to create a page for The Center For Teaching and Learning (https://c-t-l.org/). I am a parent of a child at the school and want to see the school described accurately via Wikipedia. 207Engineering (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've left a comment about how to best potentially draft such an article on @207Engineering's talk page. Skynxnex (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- If Center for Teaching and Learning is created as the school in Edgecomb, Maine, as planned by the above editor, then this would be a plausible redirect to it - only by perusing the school website carefully did I conclude that "The " is not really part of its name, and redirects from lower-case versions are common. So perhaps Keep for now, to allow the editor time to start their article and see whether the school is now considered notable. And revisit in a month if no such article gets created. Note that the previous article got only to this stage, with no independent sources and no indication of being anything but a run-of-the-mill small K-8 school, before being retargetted as non-notable. PamD 13:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've left a comment about how to best potentially draft such an article on @207Engineering's talk page. Skynxnex (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm trying to create a page for The Center For Teaching and Learning (https://c-t-l.org/). I am a parent of a child at the school and want to see the school described accurately via Wikipedia. 207Engineering (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Teaching and learning center as a plausible target for now. Willing to reevaluate if an article is created for the school in Maine, although I question whether the Maine school would be a primary target here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Teaching and learning center, without prejudice to reviewing WP:PTOPIC status if/when an article on a specific notable school is created. Fieari (talk) 06:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Teaching and learning center per Presidentman and Fieari. The one in Edgecomb is far from the only "center for teaching and learning" in existence. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 11:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and redirect's author. A retarget is not appropriate given "The". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. The incorrect presence or absence of a definite article is a very common mistake to make when searching for things that could plausibly be named either way so both forms are plausible search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 10:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Наумович Городецкий Ефим
[edit]- Наумович Городецкий Ефим → Yefim Gorodetsky (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nonsensical word order; the patronymic is never named first. The correct Ефим Наумович Городецкий and Городецкий Ефим Наумович already exist. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
King Roland
[edit]- King Roland → Spaceballs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Either disambiguate or redirect to List of Sofia the First characters, and target Roland I and Roland II to it, and Minimus is likely mentioned in the nominated target page. Also, I drafted Minimus (disambiguation), but it needs an improvement for the horse character. 88.235.230.49 (talk) 07:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Point to Roland (disambiguation) and add uses there -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the only king mentioned on that dab page is a character in Might and Magic that doesn't have their own page. Roland of Galloway is not mentioned on that page, but rather is listed at Roland (name). Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Ghettosburg Address
[edit]- Ghettosburg Address → Pound Cake speech (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't see any reference for this term being applied to Cosby's speech in the article. Further, an old commenter didn't find any reference in his research. Veggies (talk) 04:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. References added. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 09:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This discussion originally had listed Talk:Ghettosburg Address listed for discussion by nominator Veggies instead of Ghettosburg Address. Per the nominator's statement and the statement of the vote afterwards, this seems as though it was an unambiguous error, and I have updated this section with the presumably correct nomination information. Steel1943 (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Mentioned in lead of article. Fieari (talk) 06:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Ó. А. Лады́женская
[edit]- Ó. А. Лады́женская → Olga Ladyzhenskaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL mistake with the "О́" being a Latin-script letter (apart from the fact that it's pretty much impossible that this is entered with the stress marks, which are only used in Russian in the headings of dictionary/encyclopaedia entries or in linguistics). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I would say keep if the О́ was Cyrillic, but the Latin script Ó makes this redirect utterly implausible and pointless. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 11:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Mitra Sen Ahir
[edit]This article was cut down to a redirect on the basis that all of the cited sources were unreliable--I agree with this assessment, and was not able to find additional sources in a WP:BEFORE search, nor is there mention at the current target. Seeing as the only connection to the target is on the basis of claims made in unreliable sources and/or invented by an editor, deletion seems more appropriate than maintaining this redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 23:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice to AfD as a contested BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 00:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article as this was BLARed just a day or so ago, and existed as an article for around 14 years. An argument can be made that RfD is an appropriate place to discuss redirects that were created as inappropriate BLARs a long time ago but this is ridiculous. Nomination doesn't even mention the suitability of the redirect (there is no mention in the target at present). A7V2 (talk) 01:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The article itself was based on a non-notable individual who attracted only passing mentions from few sources dating the past centuries. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article as a contested BLAR. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article - It's not a good idea to use RFD as a way to avoid AFD. We have different standards here, and have a lot less eyes regularly contributing. Fieari (talk) 06:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article then send to AfD per above. --Lenticel (talk) 01:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Flugzeugkollision zwischen Airbus A350-900 XWB (Japan-Airlines-Flug 516) und De Havilland Canada Dash 8-Q300 (japanische Küstenwache) seit 2. Januar 2024 in Flughafen Tokio-Haneda
[edit]- Flugzeugkollision zwischen Airbus A350-900 XWB (Japan-Airlines-Flug 516) und De Havilland Canada Dash 8-Q300 (japanische Küstenwache) seit 2. Januar 2024 in Flughafen Tokio-Haneda → 2024 Haneda Airport runway collision (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be an incorrect title translation that needs to be verified by a Dutchman/woman. Why is it so long? Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not because it's incorrect (it isn't*) or too long (length isn't a reason to delete on it's own) but because there is no affinity between a crash involving two Japanese aircraft at a Japanese airport and Dutch (WP:RFOREIGN). *Google translates this as "Aircraft collision between Airbus A350-900 XWB (Japan Airlines Flight 516) and De Havilland Canada Dash 8-Q300 (Japan Coast Guard) since January 2, 2024 at Tokyo Haneda Airport"; While English would use "on" rather than "since", I believe this is correct in idiomatic Dutch. Thryduulf (talk) 00:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- It indeed means "since", though not in
idiomatic Dutch
(did Google Translate not tell you which language it was translating from?) but in German. It's not really a correct way to refer to this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- It indeed means "since", though not in
- Delete, this is German, not Dutch, but the argument still holds: there's no affinity between the language and the subject.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 02:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 03:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Rule 34 (Internet meme) (version 2)
[edit]Force aérienne royale néerlandaise/Koninklijke Luchtmacht (fait partie de Force armées néerlandaises (11 mars 1953 - il y a 71 ans) in Pays-Bas/onderdeel van Nederlandse krijgsmacht (11 maart 1953 - 71 jaar geleden) in Nederland)
[edit]- Force aérienne royale néerlandaise/Koninklijke Luchtmacht (fait partie de Force armées néerlandaises (11 mars 1953 - il y a 71 ans) in Pays-Bas/onderdeel van Nederlandse krijgsmacht (11 maart 1953 - 71 jaar geleden) in Nederland) → Royal Netherlands Air Force (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be an incorrect translation that needs to be verified by a Dutchman/woman. Why is it so long? Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as nonsense. C F A 💬 22:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not quite nonsense ("Royal Dutch Air Force/Royal Air Force (part of the Dutch Army Force (11 March 1953 - 71 years ago) in the Netherlands)") and there is obvious affinity between the Dutch language and the Dutch military, but it is an implausible title and will become inaccurate in March next year. Thryduulf (talk) 00:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It's also an odd combination of French and Dutch, making it an unlikely search term.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 02:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 03:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduul above, implausible and will become inaccurate over time. Fieari (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Wpedia
[edit]implausable redirect. No hits on google for usage as a shortform of "Wikipedia" -1ctinus📝🗨 21:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unlikely synonym. --Lenticel (talk) 00:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a relatively new redirect so the page view stats are not completely reliable, but it did get hits most days before nomination even after the initial 2-3 day new page spike, suggesting it's a plausible search term. I was also able to find multiple uses of this to refer to Wikipedia, e.g. user:Wpedia User, File:WPedia.svg, File:Marcin WPedia (2).jpg, [46] (see panel on the right side), [47] (reply 4), [48] (reply 5), [49] (comment by "AlivePassenger3859"), [50]. Google also tells me it occurs in this research paper but it isn't in the first two pages which is the only part I can access for free (I've not investigated whether the whole text is available elsewhere). The only other things that come up in search results are a non-notable mirror of Wikipedia and the product code for a diamond abrasive belt for a specific brand of machine sharpener for woodworking tools. Product codes are very rarely good redirects, and in this case we don't have any content about the machine (ProEdge) or even the manufacturer (Robert Sorby) so it definitely isn't a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In common use: [51] [52] Ca talk to me! 01:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Could just as likely refer to Wookieepedia ([53] if you insist) or Wowpedia. The moral of the story is that people are lazy typists and will coin novel abbreviations for anything. We don't try to anticpiate or even follow such things unless they're pretty standard. The apparent lack of usefulness for this one is telling. No one is going to have trouble finding information about Wikipedia on Wikipedia because oh noes i wuhz looking for wpedia insted. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per 35.139.154.158. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unnecessary and ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Digital Manga Guild
[edit]- Digital Manga Guild → Digital Manga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned Isla🏳️⚧ 21:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned now. Xfansd (talk) 23:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so its fine to keep now thank you very much for adding it to the article Isla🏳️⚧ 00:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Sundararaja Perumal Temple, Salem
[edit]Pseudointellectual
[edit]- Pseudointellectual → Intellectual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pseudo intellectual → Intellectual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target article appears to say little to nothing about pseudo-intellectuals as opposed to legitimate intellectuals. The only time the prefix "pseudo" is used is in the Criticism section where Noam Chomsky criticizes social scientists and technocrats. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 20:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The meaning of "pseudo" is clear and the rest comes from 'intellectual'; I assume since there is no separate page then the term trivially means "not really intellectual", and the reader might want to know what wikipedia says about intellectals in order to figure out who "pseudeintellectial" is. --Altenmann >talk 21:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Either delete per nom (and possibly per WP:RFD#D10/WP:REDYES), or soft redirect to wikitionary wikt:pseudointellectual. Current target doesn't discuss pseudointellectuals or pseudointellectualism. A7V2 (talk) 01:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not my field but it seems that there's a lot of books, news and journal articles about this topic. Might be a good stand alone article in the future per WP:REDLINK. --Lenticel (talk) 01:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDYES to encourage article creation. I think this would be a valid topic in its own right. Fieari (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
List of swears
[edit]No such list at the target; we shouldn't suggest readers that we do. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment lists have been deleted multiple times, including following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of profanities (2006), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of swear words (2007), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of sexual slurs (2006) and (at these and other titles) many times speedily under multiple criteria (usually A3, G3, and/or G4). The deleted content at this title was just a bulleted list of the Seven dirty words with literally no other content. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think there is actually scope for some sort of list of lists here, as many of the articles in Category:Profanity and it's subcategories do contain lists (e.g. Four letter word, Italian profanity, Bhojpuri profanity, Mandarin Chinese profanity (almost entirely lists), and Wiktionary has other categories and lists (e.g. wikt:Glossary of Romanian profanity, wikt:Appendix:English censored words, wikt:Category:English vulgarities, wikt:Category:English swear words, wikt:Appendix:Fictional English curse words). We also have Lists of pejorative terms for people, Minced oaths in media, Scunthorpe problem which related lists/articles containing lists but not a suitable target for the redirect. The number of times the various titles have been recreated strongly suggests this is something people are looking for here. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTDIC and similar consensus and discussions at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Redirects to Profanity, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 30#Dagnabbit, and several discussions listed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 4. There's just not consensus for this. Steel1943 (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm honestly surprised this isn't a fucking article, but delete per nom. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 04:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- If it was, then the title would be wrong and/or would have to be speedy deleted as an article that duplicates another article's topic. Steel1943 (talk) 17:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- DABify, or possibly create a list of lists. I think this is a valid thing someone would search for, and we already have the information they are looking for, it just needs to be properly compiled to send them all the lists of profanity that we do in fact already have. Fieari (talk) 02:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since no actual list exists. Why bother with a redirect? Wolfdog (talk) 22:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's not quite true, no list exists at this title but many more specific lists do. Thryduulf (talk) 10:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No list exists (even assuming the use of "swear" as a noun here is correct). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Subvarieties
[edit]- Subvarieties → Algebraic variety (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure why this does not redirect to Subvariety. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Subvarieties, you see one link to a philosophy page (which shouldn't be there), and a number of links that require the mathematical meaning. Nothing for the botanical meaning. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If you look into Subvariety, its hatnote already lists two extra meanings, making Subvariety (disambiguation) valid page and Subvarieties must redirect there. Not to say there is subvariety (linguistics) and other "subs" for Variety (disambiguation). --Altenmann >talk — Preceding undated comment added 21:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Convert Subvariety to a disambig page since it clearly has more than one meaning, then retarget Subvarieties there. The existing article should be moved to something unambiguous like Subvariety (botany). 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 21:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Subvariety per WP:PLURALPT "the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular". There's a perfectly valid use of "Subvarieties" in the taxonomic rank context, so no reason to break this rule, so any incorrect links should be fixed. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
The game (the game)
[edit]- The game (the game) → The Game (mind game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary duplication (unnecessary duplication). Implausible. Alongside this, congrats on losing the game! mwwv converse∫edits 20:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to
The game#Sports and gamesThe Game#Sports and games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete due to the use of the definite article in the disambiguator. Second choice is to retarget to The game#Sports and games as {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} per Steeel1943. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: This deletion nomination is just trolling? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think a WP:GF failure is a valid keep rationale. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete (delete) as an WP:RDAB. I don't see anyone actually being helped by this. If kept, it should be retargeted per Steel. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RDAB does not apply here; there are technically no errors in the format and potential capitalization (and spelling) errors are irrelevant because it is not a variation of 'disambiguation'. For example, a redirect such as Band (band) would be appropriate for a band named 'Band'. Thus, we cannot write these off wholesale. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep - the rationale for this redirect is that it is referring to the ambiguous phrase the game in the context of something that is specifically known as "the game". This seems at least somewhat plausible, and I don't see anything that would be gained by deletion - no evidence has been put forward that this redirect is causing actual harm. Hog Farm Talk 14:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to The game#Sports and games as potentially ambiguous, not opposed to a keep though. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the disambiguator doesn't disambiguate anything. It's as ambiguous as The Game, so that would be the only target I could (weakly) support. -- Tavix (talk) 03:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. The disambiguation adds no value. Just because one might say "Foobar", only to repeat it a second time, while winking and nodding to send a subtle message (just what I'm imagining in my head; maybe that's what's trying to be done here), it doesn't translate well into text though, and definitely not as a redirect. Apple (apple) is not fair game, and neither is this. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Game#Sports and games Contrastive focus reduplication is a thing so it seems likely that some redirects of this pattern are going to be plausible and useful search terms (not quite the same but e.g. Fenchurch Street (street) is a logical way to distinguish the road from the station named for it) so we shouldn't dismiss this out of hand. This would only be a plausible search term for things called "the game" which could plausible be described as "the game", that applies to at least two entries on the dab page (The Game (mind game) and The Game (dice game) (it might also apply to any of the other entries in that section of the dab except the company, but I've not investigated), neither of which is primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete (delete) per Tavix (tavix). Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 02:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: an unhelpful disambiguator. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Big Bear (malt liquor)
[edit]Smooth variety
[edit]- Smooth variety → Smooth scheme (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Smooth algebraic variety → Singular point of an algebraic variety (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should be consistent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think both should redirect to "smooth scheme" since that article discusses the topic in more depth with more examples. —- Taku (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both for the moment. Not all readers interested in algebraic geometry are specialists of scheme theory. So, per WP:ASTONISH, the subject must be linked to an article where it is explained in classical terms, and, nevertheless, readers interested in schemes must find an article convenient for them. I wrote "for the moment" because the subject is very poorly described in Wikipedia, and the redirect problem can be correctly resolved only if the articles would be well rewritten.
An example of the poor content of both articles is the fact that none of the articles is clearly linked to Regular ring and none states the fundmental fact that an affine algebraic variety is smooth if and only if its ring of regular functions is regular, or, more generally, that the spectrum of a Noetherian ring is smooth if and only if the ring is regular. D.Lazard (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- I agree the topic is poorly covered. Since "smooth variety" is essentially a shortening of "smooth algebraic variety", I suggest that both should probably point at Singular point of an algebraic variety. I've added a sentence to the lead of that article that refers the reader to the more general concept. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Liu Yi (badminton)
[edit]- Liu Yi (badminton) → Liu Yi (badminton, born 2003) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Disambiguation link. This title linking to 2 badminton players. 1. Liu Yi Singaporean badminton player. 2. Liu Yi Chinese badminton player. Since this link has long been used to refer to Singaporean badminton player. So, this link should be delete for Liu Yi Chinese badminton player. I have move the Chinese player to Liu Yi (badminton, born 2003). Stvbastian (talk) 11:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If we had an article about the Singaporean badminton player this would be a straigtforward {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} redirect that should be pointed at the dab page, however we don't have any content that I've found so the article about the Chinese badminton player should arguably be at this title. If the Singaporean player is notable, then I suggest the best solution is to write the article then target this at the dab page. If they aren't notable then the correct solution is to move the article about the Chinese player here. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment in order of preference
- Restore Liu Yi (badminton, born 2003) back to Liu Yi (badminton)
- Redirect to Liu Yi
- Write articles about the other two badminton players
- CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 19:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Revert move of Liu Yi (badminton) to Liu Yi (badminton, born 2003). We only need to disambiguate when there's another article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
BJP KARNATAKA
[edit]BJP of Maharashtra
[edit]BJP for Bengal
[edit]BJP in West Bengal
[edit]Bharathiya Janata Party, Kerala
[edit]- Bharathiya Janata Party, Kerala → Bharatiya Janata Party, Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 17:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bharathiya Janata Party. This target was decided by AfD. -- asilvering (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
FZDO
[edit]Not mentioned at target; List of airports in the Democratic Republic of the Congo lists this as the code for the apparently unrelated and currently redlinked Moanza Airport. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of airports in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Not listed at List of airports by ICAO code: F. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the main article there is a redlink, I suggest deletion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or delete per above. Google results make it clear that there is exactly two potentially encyclopaedic uses of this series of letters, Moanza Airport (occasionally spelled "Moanda" or "Muanda") and the Faculty of Correspondence and Distance Learning at Chelyabinsk State University. The airport is by far the primary topic and we don't have any content about the university faculty anyway. I can see arguments both ways for retargetting and deletion and don't immediately have a preference between them. Thryduulf (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDLINK --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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The Dharmas
[edit]- The Dharmas → Steadman (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nothing explains why this rediredts here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Add a mention. "The Dharmas" was either the previous name of the group, or a previous band with many of the same members depending on the source.[54][55][56][57] If the redirect is deleted though the link at Dharma (disambiguation) should be removed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Dharmas redirects to Abhidharma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), suggesting that as a possible target or needing a hatnote for it and dharma (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Grabage truck
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 6#Grabage truck
Burglar (disabmiguation)
[edit]Brave, the Movie
[edit]- Brave, the Movie → Brave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brave The Movie (Movie) → Brave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects were the result of moving the page about the 1994 film to the title Brave (film) (which was later redirected to the current target's "Film and television" section)—the first redirect to the second and the second to the "(film)" title. These redirects haven't gotten very many pageviews nowadays, so I'm not 100% sure they're really helpful here. I think we should either delete them, or, if they're kept, refine them to Brave#Film and television, though I'm open to other courses of action if they're suitable. Regards, SONIC678 19:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. In 2005, the rule was that a redirect resulting from a page move had to be kept, even if it wasn't particularly useful or logical, for WP:GFDL attribution reasons. That's no longer the rule anymore, and such redirects don't need to be kept anymore if they aren't actually serving an important purpose, which this isn't. Bearcat (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep/refine Brave, the Movie per WP:RFD#K4 (certainly no benefit comes from deleting this page which is the result of a page move as Brave (1994 film) appears to have had this title for nearly 1.5 years), but also it seems a plausible search term, and indeed has been used by reliable sources for at least the 2012 film, for example [58].
Neutral, leaning delete, on Brave The Movie (Movie) as it is very awkward and inlausible, but also it's not clear to me that this one was created as a result of a page move as it doesn't appear in the edit history of Brave (1994 film).A7V2 (talk) 06:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)- @A7V2: As described in Wikipedia:Moving a page § Page histories, moves carried out before the 27 June 2005 upgrade were not recorded in the history of the moved page (at the new title), only the history of the redirect left behind (at the old title). The move in question took place on 19 June 2005, eight days before the upgrade. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep and refine both per A7V2 and Jlwoodwa. Redirects from move not recorded elsewhere. Thryduulf (talk) 11:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Jlwoodwa I wasn't aware of that. Given it was the title of an article for around 6 months don't delete Brave The Movie (Movie), but I'm tempted to say retarget it to Brave (1994 film) since almost certainly anyone using it would be using it as a link rather than a search term, but I am almost equally happy to refine to Brave#Film and television. A7V2 (talk) 00:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Aero blue
[edit]- Aero blue → Shades of cyan#Aero blue (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of Aero blue in the target page. ... discospinster talk 16:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- It existed when the redirect was created (see [59]), though it was un-cited and a fairly poor description, and the also see seems to point to a fairly different color, so it's not surprising if someone deleted that section (and forgot to look for redirects to it) in the intervening 11 years. :) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- That version linked to Air Force blue, which also does not mention "Aero blue" currently. Plus it's azure, not cyan! So changing the redirect won't help. ... discospinster talk 20:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Cita
[edit]- Template:Cita → Template:Blockquote (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was presumably created for es:Template:Cita, the Spanish Wikipedia's Template:Blockquote equivalent. However, it is also inappropriately used sometimes for it:Template:Cita, which is a citation template. Both of these foreign templates use unnamed parameters, so the difference isn't always noticed. I would suggest that English editors will be confused by this name and not sure what it means. I'm not opposed to foreign-language template redirects in general, but when they are ambiguous, I think they should certainly be removed. Daask (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as template disambiguation page. If we delete it, people who copy wikitext for translation from es.WP or it.WP will end up populating Wikipedia:Database reports/Transclusions of non-existent templates, which is undesirable. Let's make it a template disambiguation page that points to {{blockquote}} and {{sfn}}, or whatever the best en.WP matches are. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If
people who copy wikitext for translation from es.WP or it.WP
use a template that is ambiguous between those, it is undesirable. I'm not sure there is a big difference between making it transclude a nonexistent and a disambiguated template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If
- Delete as vague. (However, this redirect has transclusions that need to be bypassed prior to deletion.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is English Wikipedia, the templates should be in English, not some foreign non-English language, presumably with non-English parameters -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 05:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- {{blockquote}} is frequently called without (named) parameters. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per 64.229.88.34. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Event Pokemon
[edit]2TK
[edit]Biden's predecessor
[edit]- Biden's predecessor → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely, but also ambiguous: Biden was also a senator and a vice president. Cremastra (talk) 22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a new anchor for the Offices and distinctions succession boxes at the bottom of Joe Biden, which list his predecessors for every office anybody using this search term could be interested in. Thryduulf (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Biden has been using "my predecessor" with some frequency in speeches to refer to Trump, which demolishes both the likelihood AND the ambiguity argument. pbp 22:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since this could also refer to Dick Cheney. Oppose redirecting to Joe Biden or any section in that article since there's no dedicated section to predecessors, which makes it potentially difficult for readers to find what they are looking for immediately and could cause confusion. Steel1943 (talk) 23:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Except there is a dedicated section for predecessors it's just not got an anchor at present, which is why I recommend creating one. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Utterly useless, and the suggestion that it has become some sort of pejorative is absurd. Zaathras (talk) 23:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As stated by multiple people, this could be referring to Biden's term as a senator, a vice president, or a president. A retarget to a disambiguation may be fine, though it may also be redundant since all of his predecessors (Boggs, Cheney, and Trump) are listed already in his infobox. Unnamed anon (talk) 04:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- To those who saying it could refer to Boggs and Cheney, can you point to any time ever he referred to Cheney and Boggs that way? I can point to him repeatedly referring to Trump that way pbp 17:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague per above --Lenticel (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- To those calling this vague, what do you think it could refer to that isn't included in the Offices and distinctions succession boxes? If there isn't anything, what is your objection to targetting that? Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (second choice retarget to #Offices and distinctions). I don't think that anyone searching up "Biden's predecessor" will be at all surprised to find themselves at Donald Trump. Doing so wanting Cheney, Boggs, or anyone else invites a headslap. On the contrary, a less in-the-know reader desiring Trump is much more plausible. J947 ‡ edits 03:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Biden has used this term for Trump several times, and Trump is the clear primary topic over Cheney and Boggs. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Term in use, someone may want to know who Biden is referring to in his speeches. I do not buy the argument that this is ambiguous. It really isn't. Fieari (talk) 06:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Technically it's ambiguous, but the vast majority of people would think Trump rather than Cheney or Boggs. So Trump is the clear primary topic here. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 11:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Meme in human form
[edit]Operation Dryfront
[edit]Weekend Trip
[edit]- Weekend Trip → List of TV5 (Philippine TV network) original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weekend trip → Tourism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Ambiguous title. ToadetteEdit (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've added Weekend trip to this discussion, which points to a completely different article that also doesn't mention the phrase, although it is clearly related. In terms of articles that do mention the phrase, almost all are NOTTRAVELGUIDE violations or passing mentions in plot summaries. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'd call this a weekend away which doesn't exist, but Weekend Away does (and targets an article on a film). Depending on if a viable target for the others can be found this too may need thought about. If no target for the first two can be found then I suppose they will be deleted and nothing changes for Weekend Away. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both With capitals, this is the name of the weekend primetime programming block for TV5 (see playlist on the channel's Youtube). Without capitals, it's a common form of tourism or leisure activity. SFB 20:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the programming block of "Weekend Trip" on TV5 is failed under WP:SIGCOV. Icarus58 (talk) 00:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both, but add a mention to both targets to make them useful. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both. There isn't any information on "weekend trips" here on EnWiki. Better if we let search results handle this. CycloneYoris talk! 04:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- delete. depends on way too many differing definitions of "trip", and there's no fitting target for any of them cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Both per WP:DIFFCAPS. Fieari (talk) 06:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- eh? but one is unmentioned in the target and seems to fail sigcov (and very, very likely fails ptopic), and the other has no stronger affiliation with tourism than it does with vacations or going to the middle of nowhere to visit some distant relative you need to pretend you know and love cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per CycloneYoris, Thryduulf and Cogsan have mentioned above. Those redirects seems to be untarget and different caps are also ambiguous. They're also fails per WP:NOTTRAVELGUIDE and the programming block (as redirect) from TV5's "Weekend Trip" is included for deletion under WP:SIGCOV. Icarus58 (talk) 15:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have no expressed opinions on the merits of these redirects (just presented some facts), so per me is meaningless. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe so. Icarus58 (talk) 21:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have no expressed opinions on the merits of these redirects (just presented some facts), so per me is meaningless. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Masami Kawamura
[edit]- Masami Kawamura → 2021 Rugby World Cup squads#Japan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary redirect to a list of players. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 14:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not voting right now, but the page in question was once an article. This article was the subject of a deletion discussion in 2023 where the result was to target to the present target to preserve the edit history on account of being WP:TOOSOON for Kawamura to merit an article on her own notability. Regards, SONIC678 22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep to preserve edit history and WP:ATD. As the redirect does seem to have had an article, it may be useful to keep the page around for the future. As of now, I dont' believe it would be harmful to leave it around as a redirect. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Interstate 976
[edit]Sidney (city)
[edit]Tay Keith, fuck these niggas up!
[edit]- Tay Keith, fuck these niggas up! → Tay Keith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Even if the latter part of the redirect is relevant, if someone has the artist's name, they don't need the second part. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unhelpful. Not mentioned at target, and appears to be a lyric from a song released by Drake (musician). 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add mention - Google is telling me that it's not just one song by Drake (musician), but a whole long list of songs by various artists (including Travis Scott, Lil Baby, BlocBoy JB]], Metro Boomin, 21 Savage, Co Cash, 6ix9ine, Bobby Shmurda, Meek Mill, Kodak Black, and more...) all apparently being produced by Tay Keith. This makes it a plausible search term, as someone could be very likely to hear the line in multiple songs and want to know why completely different artists are all putting the line in their song, beyond wanting to simply know who Tay Keith is. While the list of songs that contain this line is all from various user curated lists, I did find what could be a reliable source that this is the producer's tagline at GQ... so this is useful information that we should have. Fieari (talk) 23:48, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. As Fieari mentioned, the title of this redirect is Tay Keith's producer tag— it's not uncommon for hip hop producers to have soundbites like this that they add to songs they've produced. In that sense, I can theoretically see the utility of retaining this redirect. But in this particular case, Tay Keith's name occurs at the very beginning of the line, so I'm not convinced people will jump directly to the full phrase instead of just stopping at "Tay Keith" directly. Mentioning the tag in the article could be a good idea, but even so, I lean slightly toward deleting the redirect. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Together California
[edit]Patient population
[edit]Allan Cerda
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 5#Allan Cerda
Big Yud
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 5#Big Yud
Geoffrey Chalmers
[edit]- Geoffrey Chalmers → Michael McConnohie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Name not mentioned at target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the previous RfD noted that the McConnohie was credited as Geoffrey Chalmers and that this was mentioned in the article. Mention was hidden by an IP editor in June 2021 with the comment "I'm hiding this source until verified". The information was sourced to [60] but the current version of that page doesn't include the name (I've not investigated whether it ever did). Googling "Michael McConnohie" "Geoffrey Chalmers" finds a lot of hits making the same connection, but every site is either unreliable (IMDB, wikis) or one I have no idea of the reliability of. This needs attention from someone familiar with sourcing in this topic area. Thryduulf (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Ashchf Lshtshfum
[edit]- Ashchf Lshtshfum → Jason Bourne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Appears to be a joke about bad Cyrillic on a passport in a movie[61] Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- when reading the cyrillic on the bourne identity that's supposed to be foma kiniaev Probium577 (talk) 23:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently this sort of transcription is now mentioned in the "aliases" section of the infobox at the target. No strong opinion since the redirect does not seem like the most plausible search term (and related redirects like Foma Kiniaev don't exist). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Mi scusi
[edit]Too general a term to be redirected to a film, even if it is a known quote from the film. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Affine cone
[edit]- Affine cone → Convex cone#Affine cone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could also refer to Cone (algebraic geometry). 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Unimproved
[edit]- Unimproved → Road surface (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unimproved road redirects to Dirt road. That said, there are other topics like Unimproved water source or Unimproved sanitation using this word. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as very vague. I can imagine how this might have been created instead of a piped link. I don't think "unimproved" alone is a useful search term, but I wouldn't be overly opposed to some kind of disambiguation. A7V2 (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Reminds me of the situation with Affordable (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 27#Affordable). Steel1943 (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too vague. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: a general-purpose adjective. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to improvement as {{R from related term}} / {{R from adjective}} /
{{R from antonym|improved}}
, being the state of which prior to improvement -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 05:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak retarget to improvement is fine, as that will give the closest thing to the meaning of the word. BD2412 T 02:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to improvement and tag as R from antonym --Lenticel (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Searching up "improved" desiring the article Improvement is plausible. "Unimproved" is not. J947 ‡ edits 04:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Piped the term in 3 articles (Oregon Route 58, U.S. Route 191 in Utah, List of Farm to Market Roads in Texas (200–299)) to unimproved road. Targeting to improvement is good in theory, but there is nothing there related to roads, and what does "unimproved" mean if it is not in reference to roads? Delete per J947. Jay 💬 07:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Isometry (mathematics)
[edit]- Isometry (mathematics) → Isometry (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Since the primary topic Isometry is already a mathematical topic, I don't think this should be a redirect to the disambiguation page (which also seems to consist of a lot of WP:PTMs). (Note that there is also Isometry (mathematics) (disambiguation); not sure how much precedent there is for such redirects.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Does Isometry cover all of the topics on the disambiguation page? If so, I would agree that there is no need for the latter. I am not fluent enough in mathematics to say whether it is. BD2412 T 00:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Naoki Tanisaki
[edit]- Naoki Tanisaki → T-Hawk (wrestler) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect is unnecessary and misleading as this alternative name stems from a misunderstanding of Japanese spelling. When Onodera impersonated Naoki Tanizaki, he used a different kanji spelling for his name; it didn't change the way the name wad read and shouldn't change how it's transcribed. MordecaiXLII (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Vote to retarget the redirect Naoki Tanisaki → Naoki Tanizaki, per common mispellings under WP:POFR, which includes "Likely misspellings" as reasons to create redirects. The Kanji 崎 and 嵜 are both read as "さき" (saki), anyway, so it should be categorized as a possible mispelling for Tanizaki.
- I do agree with the nom that there is no reason for it to be redirecting to T-Hawk (wrestler), though. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Tighten
[edit]let's try this again... closed before with no consensus, with votes torn between... everything, really. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- for the record, my vote will be to retarget to tight cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. EurekaLott and Presidentman in the last discussion explained in detail why this is the best option and, unless something very significant has changed in the last 2 months (and I haven't spotted anything) then everything they said still applies. Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging those who commented in the recent discussion: @Duckmather, Red-tailed hawk, Eureka Lott, Presidentman, BugGhost, Pppery, Godsy, BD2412, and Steel1943:. Thryduulf (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Bugghost: fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Redirecting a dictionary word to the misspelling of a film character's name is downright wrong and astonishing. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- you'd be surprised to know that that's not actually a misspelling. i mean, it is a mishearing of "titan", but that's kind of the entire point, and he's referred to as "tighten" in the credits lmao cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- should clarify that this isn't necessarily a keep vote, it's just "don't delete as a typo" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- you'd be surprised to know that that's not actually a misspelling. i mean, it is a mishearing of "titan", but that's kind of the entire point, and he's referred to as "tighten" in the credits lmao cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Per WP:SSRT,
only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects
(emphases mine). This word is neither commonly wikified (indeed, there are no mainspace links that point to it), nor has it been repeatedly recreated. But because it might reasonably be a search term for multiple items on Wikipedia, and none seem like an easy primary topic, a dab page should suffice. My view has not changed since the prior discussion. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per my reasoning at the prior discussion. As Thryduulf notes, nothing appears to have changed here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest adding a {{Wiktionary hatnote}} at the very least. Seems rather WP:RASTONISHing though. By the way, I also checked whether tightening exists, but apparently we only have The Tightening. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per last discussion. Nothing has changed since last time. Would be fine with a hatnote at Megamind#Cast to Tight (or wherever else) if someone feels this is genuinely ambiguous or a likely search, but have no real strong feelings. BugGhost🦗👻 17:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I acknowledge I was pinged. Steel1943 (talk) 23:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Democracy Index
[edit]- Democracy Index → The Economist Democracy Index (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Democrasy Index → Democracy indices (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not sure how primary the Economist index is for the title-case name, but these should point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- (1) Democracy Index: I too am not sure how primary the Economist index is. On the one hand one could say that a generic term should point to the general article rather than an article about one particular index (though to be pedantic, the generic term would be "Democracy index", not "Democracy Index"). On the other hand, I can think of reasons why keeping the present redirect might be better. The article Democracy indices mentions a number of indices, but the Economist Democracy Index is the only one containing the expression "Democracy Index", which could be taken as indicating that it's a primary meaning, as it is probably the one most likely to be searched for under those words. There's also the fact that the redirect Democracy Index was created by moving the article which is now titled The Economist Democracy Index, but which had been at Democracy Index for 16 years (apart from a period of 32 minutes when a disruptive editor moved it to another title, and it got moved back quickly) so changing the redirect title could break links. There are currently 588 internal links to it, and there may be external links, or links on individual users' computers or whatever. taking into account all of those considerations, I am in favour of keeping the redirect Democracy Index → The Economist Democracy Index.
- (2) Democrasy Index: This is an almost pointless redirect. It has had 2 views in the last 30 days (compared to 9,892 for Democracy Index. I therefore don't think it matters a lot what happens to it. However, "Democrasy Index", unlike "Democracy Index", is not contained in the title of any particular index, so there isn't any particular index with any claim to be a primary meaning. There's also a case for saying that in the absence of a strong reason for doing otherwise it's better to leave it where it is, because someone somewhere may expect it to be there, though in this case that's an extremely weak case. My conclusion is that, as I said above, it doesn't matter a lot what happens to this redirect, but on balance I just about prefer leaving it where it is.
- (3) I don't find the argument that the redirects should both point to the same target convincing at all. There's no reason why what happens if someone searches for one title should be influenced by what would have happened if they had searched for the other.
- WP:TLDR abbreviated version: Keep them both as they are. JBW (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Economist Democracy Index. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Democracy Index as is. Virtually everyone searching for or linking to Democracy Index is expecting this topic. In fact, the article really should be at the more concise title. The redirect averages 312 hits per day (huge for a redirect), almost 15% of its target's total, and double what Democracy indices gets.[62] Delete Democrasy Index as an unlikely misspelling. It has no incoming links and almost no views. No one will miss it. Otherwise leave as is or point to The Economist index; it's utterly unimportant. Station1 (talk) 03:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Democracy Index pointing to the Economist. Retarget the misspelled one here as well. A bit of looking around does seem to suggest that this one gets the WP:PTOPIC, and if people are looking for another index, there's a hatnote to the more general article as well. Fieari (talk) 06:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
MOSHEAD
[edit]Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion
[edit]- Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's a lot to type before a tpyo cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - One of the reasons I've stopped being active on RFD lately is the quantity of these kinds of entries. Nothing is gained from deleting (or even discussing) these kinds of redirects. It's unambiguous where it is meant to go, it's doing no harm, it's not wasting space - it's causing no problems. If a user types "Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion" into the search box, they are obviously trying to get to the article Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness - so not sure why this redirect would be logged here. BugGhost🦗👻 18:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- should note that the name isn't the reason for the nom, since it's mentioned as the translation of the games' (tie in anime's) japanese name, give or take the 2. it's the misspelling of "expedition" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 03:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - It's harmless and unambiguous. Yeah, there's a typo, and it's not the most plausible typo in the world, but I fail to see why this needs to be deleted. Would I care if it didn't exist? No. Do I care that it does exist? Also no. That defaults to a !vote of keep in my book. Fieari (talk) 05:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Alicia Douvall
[edit]- Alicia Douvall → Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) series 15#Alicia Douvall (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A redirect here is not appropriate as it could also redirect to Celebrity Love Island. I vote to delete the redirect to encourage article creation. Launchballer 16:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This was an article before it was turned into a redirect in 2017 and still gets 20 hits per day. Deletion would remove the history. And although her name is listed and linked in the Love Island article, what little info there is about her is in a paragraph in the Celebrity Big Brother article. Station1 (talk) 07:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon AKA NO KYUJOTAI (plus that other one)
[edit]Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Red (plus that other one)
[edit]- Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Red → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Blue → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon Red → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon Blue → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
implausible mix of languages? less so for the "dungeon" part since the series' title uses ダンジョン (danjōn, from the english word), as opposed to 地下牢 (chikarō, from... not the english word), but more so over the colors being in english cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Master Levels
[edit]- Master Levels → Doom II#Master Levels for Doom II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
surprisingly, doom 2 is the primary topic for this... just seemingly not to the extent that it completely drowns out results to other things that might use this relatively vague term. doom eternal also uses this name i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. My research agrees that the current target is the primary topic, and is more common than all the other uses put together to the extent that no other meaning got more than 1 hit on the first three pages of search results and even when excluding "doom" from the search term most other results were passing collocations. If there is something else that this is a useful search term for then it can be included in a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This phrase also has particular affinity for some The Legend of Zelda games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a short form name not just a PTM, as people refer to the target as just "Master Levels" (in the same way United States is not just a partial title match for United States of America and Revenge of the Sith is not just a partial title match for Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith). Thryduulf (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which Zelda games? The closest I could find was The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time § Master Quest. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 13:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - While I could see someone potentially calling levels from Ocarina of Time: Master Quest the Master Levels, this does not seem to be common in actual practice. Other things being called Master Levels also seems to be rare-- not unheard of, but not common within their various communities. The Doom levels do actually seem to be called the Master Levels in practice. That makes it the WP:PTOPIC here. Note that I didn't do a huge amount of research for this, but the surface level search backs it up well enough to give it a !vote. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise given evidence of widespread use in practice, not just theory. Fieari (talk) 05:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump
[edit]Chun King Inn (1964 World's Fair)
[edit]Black box (fiction)
[edit]Bulbagarden
[edit]All-Star Batman
[edit]- All-Star Batman → DC Rebirth#Batman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All Star Batman → List of Batman comics#Ongoing series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
weird case here. the different targets aside, primary topichood seems to have been entirely hogged by all star batman and robin, the boy wonder, and in regard to the second target, neither series seems to be "ongoing" (hell, almost none of the series listed there are, what's that about?). for this purpose, i made a quick draft for a disambig, which might be better off in one of those redirects now. opinions on what to do?
also note this discussion on cirno day september 9 that ended in a goddamn train wreck, and didn't even have the right redirects nominated. sorry, the oldrfdlist template doesn't work properly on the visual editor cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Turn All Star Batman to disambig per the draft. Retarget All-Star Batman to the dab. Jay 💬 07:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Gaming the system
[edit]Baduizm World Tour
[edit]Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology
[edit]- Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology → Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture and Technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
R with history. No mention of Baba Saheb, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep See [63] from the university's site. Relevant section: "Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering & Technology, Etawah was established during the year 1994-95. This college is a faculty of Technology of Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture & Technology, Kanpur-U.P." -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
[edit]- Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone → Big Yellow Taxi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this phrase at the target article, no mentions of "always" or "till". This is not a likely term to use when searching for the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Except that it (along with "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot") is the part that most people remember - the title is buried in a single line towards the end. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- That might be the case: that this string of 16 words is memorable in the context of the song. When people search Wikipedia, they search for titles of encyclopedia articles. If there's not a title, it scans the page contents for search matches. If you put this string in Google, "Big Yellow Taxi" is the first item that immediately pops up. The Genius lyric page, a link to Youtube, Big Yellow Taxi Wikipedia page, it's all right there. But Wikipedia isn't a lyric database. That line doesn't appear at the target page, so people searching for it in quotes will receive zero results. There's no way to know which line of the song is everyone's favorite, so unless there's sourced coverage about the line at the target article, and there's not, it's a confusing redirect without context. (Incidentally, they paved paradise and put up a parking lot actually has coverage at the target page, and exists as a redirect since 2007.) Utopes (talk / cont) 23:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Wu-Tang is for the children
[edit]I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating
[edit]The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump
[edit]- The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump → Jump (Kris Kross song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "mac dad", or "daddy mac". While a lyric, without mention this does not provide any benefit to readers, who are likely to get here from the song name. There is no context for this search term, or where "daddy mac" is derived. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: For clarity, "Daddy Mac" is the name of one of the members of Kris Kross, the group that performed the song. (The other member is known as "Mac Daddy", hence "Mac Dad" in the lyric.) No opinion on the proposal otherwise. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)- Delete. There is no plausible scenario causing some Internet user to type the same sentence twice. Thus, the redirect is useless. Викидим (talk) 19:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Meditation
[edit]Japanese opera
[edit]- Japanese opera → Theatre of Japan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggest deletion: the target article does not mention opera. The topic of Japanese opera is likely a notable one and this should be red link per WP:RED Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Noh. "Japanese opera" is a phrase used in that article. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Both Noh and the arguably more "operatic" Kabuki could plausibly be called "Japanese opera", and often have been: "Kabuki is Japan's opera. Dramatic storylines featuring sword-fights, ghosts, and love affairs are brought to life by gorgeously clothed performers." Theatre of Japan explains this well enough. A look through google suggests Japanese opera could only ever be a disam page, although there are some modern Western-style operas. Johnbod (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate to Musical forms of theatre in Japan and its principal traditional forms Noh and Kabuki. – Fayenatic London 15:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)- Delete As-is, this redirect is incredibly confusing: it brings the unsuspecting reader to a page that says nothing about opera. That said, what did the searcher expect to find? An opera company or theater in Japan? An opera written by a Japanese composer? A native Japanese opera-like theater genre? Garbage in, garbage out, we should not answer an open-ended question with a random response or even a collection of these. Викидим (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, what they would have expected to find is presumably something fitting in Category:Opera by country. So maybe garbage out, but definitely not garbage in. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you that this interpretation is the most plausible. Alas, we do not have a text similar to French Opera. Викидим (talk) 20:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, what they would have expected to find is presumably something fitting in Category:Opera by country. So maybe garbage out, but definitely not garbage in. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Het Rijk
[edit]Cow neck
[edit]Seems like a plausible target for a neck cut of beef also. (Though unfortunately web search results seem to be obscured by misspellings of cowl neck.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- The neck cut of beef in itself is not a WP:NOTABLE target. The Cow Neck Peninsula is notable, and moreover is known colloquially simply as "Cow Neck". Best, Castncoot (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Keep? Or retarget to Cut of beef?
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- Convert to dab. The discussion thus far doesn't seem to recognize that Cow Neck is distinct from Cow neck. Cow, Cut of beef, and Cow Neck Peninsula are all plausible targets. "Cow neck" in reference to Cow Neck Peninsula is very rare, but has been used at at least once in print. Daask (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not Cow Neck Peninsula, but Cow Neck exists for that. Whilst "neck" might describe a Cut of beef, it isn't mentioned in the article in that way (and no other "Cow xxxx" redirect targets that article). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Disambiguate or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2005–06 South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball team
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#2005–06 South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball team
First Americans
[edit]- First Americans → First American (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The First Americans → Indigenous peoples of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First settlers of the Americas → Peopling of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First North Americans → North America's Forgotten Past (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Hm. First American only links Indigenous peoples of the Americas, though maybe should link Peopling of the Americas as well; if not, then the plural "First Americans" should be considered unambiguous given the other disambiguation page entries. The last redirect points at a series of historical fiction books, which is probably not the primary topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like all of these should redirect to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Yuchitown (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- First Americans and The First Americans should both point to Indigenous peoples of the Americas because nothing on the First American dab page could be plural other than "Indigenous peoples of the Americas". First settlers of the Americas should be deleted as it could mean several things, gets no views, and has no incoming wikilinks. First North Americans should definitely stay as is, because it can only mean the book series previously at that title; it is virtually never used to refer to indigenous peoples. Bottom line: retarget the first, keep the second and fourth, and delete the third. Station1 (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support this suggestion. That sounds reasonable. Yuchitown (talk) 10:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Station1: What else could First settlers of the Americas mean? It looks unambiguous to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Aside from Indigenous peoples of the Americas versus Peopling of the Americas, the first thing that popped into my mind, rightly or wrongly, was European colonization of the Americas. Station1 (talk) 03:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Calvinosaurus
[edit]SMDP
[edit]- SMDP → First-past-the-post voting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This abbreviation of single-member district plurality is not mentioned at the target; at the same time, there are Santa Monica Daily Press and St Martin de Porres School (Ghana) (or probably other entries at St. Martin de Porres (disambiguation) as well), so it might need disambiguation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. The electoral district acronym is mentioned in a few places, but the best for a redirect target is List of electoral systems#Systems (if it isn't added to the current target). In addition to the Santa Monica newspaper and Ghanaian school, there is Cristo Rey St. Martin College Prep in Illinois (formerly St. Martin de Porres High School) and the code for Shahabad Mohammadpur railway station in India that should be on the dab page. The International Space Station has Service Module Debris Protection, mentioned in several places, nowhere brilliantly but List of International Space Station spacewalks and 2007 in spaceflight#EVAs could be considered as targets. "Mellichamp Academic Initiative in Sustainable Manufacturing and Product Design (SMDP)" is mentioned at Susannah Scott but I'm wondering if that's a typo (I've not investigated). A couple of other things get passing mentions but that's it for what I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. Senior Management Development Programme in the UK, Simple Mail Delivery Protocol (unlikely to ever get an article, but notable), Semi-Markov decision processes in math popped up in searches. Викидим (talk) 17:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Free (computing)
[edit]Template:Distinguish redirect
[edit]Fhqwghads
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Fhqwghads
Kid Speedy
[edit]- Kid Speedy → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tendafoot → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bigg Nife → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie, The Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie, the Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie the Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie The Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- "Lem" Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leomard Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leomard "Lem" Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lem Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kinda Long Haired Band → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kinda Long Haired Band → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- West is Lip → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- West Is Lip → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Delabor → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Thoraxcorp → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Thorax Corporation → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bronco trolley → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Battle of Strong Badia → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- FLAGRANT SYSTEM ERROR → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Homestarmy → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Piemonade → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Teal Screen of Near Death → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bear holding a shark → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Bear holding a shark → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grumblecakes → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Where's an Egg? → Homestar Runner#Web games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Where's an egg? → Homestar Runner#Web games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Where's an egg → Homestar Runner#Web games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Non Sequitur Champ → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Polymascotfoamalate → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Trudgemank → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pfargtl → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- It's dot com → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Crazy-go-nuts → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Homeschool Winner → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Unguraits → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Onion Bubs → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brainkrieg → Homestar Runner#Music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eh! Steve! → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eh! Steve → Homestar Runner#Sweet Cuppin' Cakes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eh Steve → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bwathom → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these is mentioned at the target. I checked every one individually and there is nothing on the English Wikipedia any of them could be retargeted to, with search results showing the occasional incidental match but otherwise only turning up this page, as well as a Wikiquote page a couple times, which is normally not considered an appropriate target. Apart from Where's an Egg? and Eh! Steve, none have significant page history, with pages either being created as redirects or WP:BLARED from unsourced stubs. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Mr. Bland
[edit]Not mentioned at target. This appears as a character at The Clocks and Cross My Heart (1937 film), as well as in a passing-like mention at Elwood Glover (where I'm not sure it is necessary); other search results appear to be generic mentions of people named Bland. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bland (surname) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Cool Tapes
[edit]- Cool Tapes → Homestar Runner#Music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. There are Cool Tape Vol. 2 and Cool Tape Vol. 3, but I doubt these are useful for any kind of disambiguation/set index. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- UPD: I apparently missed List of Homestar Runner characters#Marzipan. Retarget there, I suppose? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Homestar Runner characters#Marzipan per update nomination where the mention is in place. -2pou (talk) 17:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
H*R Wiki
[edit]- H*R Wiki → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- HRWiki → Homestar Runner#The Homestar Runner Wiki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wiki is not discussed at the target apart from an external link (which it probably shouldn't be either per WP:EL), so these are not useful. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment hrwiki redirects to Croatian Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to croatian wikipedia per thryduulf cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- That should certainly not apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- oh yeah whoops, delete that one cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- That should certainly not apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget HRWiki to Croatian Wikipedia. Delete H*R Wiki as we have no information on that fan wiki. Fieari (talk) 03:09, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Grood
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Used in various meanings across the English Wikipedia, but apart from "Dr. Grood" at The Lost Planet (serial) and Matthew de Grood, these appear to be passing mentions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Matthew de Grood -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete so that search results are preferred. Jay 💬 07:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Kerrek
[edit]Not mentioned at target. There is The Carracks, as well as multiple mentions at Critical Role campaign one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Asplode
[edit]- Asplode → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Your head a splode → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Your Head Asplode → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but there is a Wiktionary entry at wikt:asplode (which does also mention the full phrase in the quotes). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget asplode to wikt:asplode, delete the other two, don't explode any heads cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Melonade
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Melonade
'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
[edit]Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky
[edit]Arrowed
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Arrowed
Your mater
[edit]Hanyo
[edit]- Hanyo → Yōkai (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hanyō → Yokai (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] Added by 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Not mentioned at target. Linked from an article and receives decent page views and search results might have some target alternatives, though I personally do not know what I should be looking for. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a transcription of the Japanese term ja:半妖, which has terrible pop-culture WP:EXAMPLEFARM articles with zero sources on eight language editions of Wikipedia (the English Wikipedia one was deleted 16 years ago at AfD). All mentions of 半妖 or hanyo in English Wikipedia are WP:PTMs of TV episode/movie titles or unrelated concepts, none of which would be a useful redirect target. I think the best we can do here is to disambiguate (drafted) for The Housemaid (1960 film) and The Housemaid (2010 film) (whose Korean titles are transcribed as Hanyŏ) and add a {{wiktionary}} link to wikt:はんよう for anyone who was looking for the anime meaning. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
LGBT in the USA
[edit]Your Mom Goes to College
[edit]List of yo momma jokes
[edit]Yomamajokes
[edit]Deine Mudda
[edit]KGVC (FM)
[edit]Not mentioned at target, highly implausible search term given parenthetical disambiguation. AusLondonder (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment KGVC appears to be another station owned by Radio Free Palmer. It's even mentioned on their website. The FCC site (link 1) states that the radio station is currently silent, and List of radio stations in Alaska lists it as "defunct." I'm torn between deleting to create an article or redlink or simply adding a mention. There's also KGVC-LP, which I guess could theoretically be an alternate target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Comment the disambiguator is highly plausible for sequences of four letters starting with W or K as many articles about US radio stations are titled this way. As for this series of letters, it's complicated: This was previously the call sign of a radio station in Alaska, that is now defunct (according to KGVC and List of radio stations in Alaska). KVRF (AKA Big Cabbage Radio) was the parent of and/or is the successor to that station and/or now uses that call sign (different hits on google). Complicating matters is that KGVC-LP was also an FM radio station. Ideally I think this would redirect to the KGVC dab page as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} but unless content is added about the former station in Alaska that is just a single-entry dab page, with no other notable uses found by google (it's not an airport, the post-nominals are actually two separate ones: Knight Companion of the Order of the Garter (KG) and Victoria Cross (VC)). While the low-power (LP) station is the only one we have content about, it's the one with the lowest claim to primary topic status based on Google hits. Confusing me even further for a while was Google including hits for KVGC, a radio station in California, in all my search terms. I'll drop a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations. Thryduulf (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- When the Alaska station FID 198603 existed, it nominally was the primary topic, though it never merited an independent article and would have been a redirect to KVRF. The station operated for less than seven years on this license and was functionally replaced by a new facility, KVRK FID 765583 , though Radio Free Palmer at one point intended to move KGVC out to complement its coverage area. (KGVC was shuttered because its tower site was reused for KVRK.) I recommend deleting this redirect, redirecting KGVC to KGVC-LP, and adding a hatnote: "KGVC redirects here. For 91.5 MHz in Glacier View, Alaska (2015–2022), see KVRF." (That article needs adjusting to even mention KVRK.) I also recommend redirecting KVRK to KVRF and instituting this hatnote there: "KVRK redirects here. For 89.7 MHz in Sanger, Texas (2004–2015), see KAWA (FM)." We need in this field to make more use of hatnotes to substitute TWODABS that nobody truly needs. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a good solution. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
North Takoma
[edit]- North Takoma → Springfield (The Simpsons) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Though this redirect is mentioned in the target article, I believe this redirect would be better targeting a non-fictional target: retarget to North Takoma station or weak retarget to North Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington. Otherwise, disambiguation may be necessary. Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if retargetted to the station then the target should have a hatnote to the settlement in Washington. Thryduulf (talk) 21:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: I made a major change to my nomination statement (diff) for reasons which ... may be self-explanatory when looking at the section below. I'm letting you know in case this affects your comment. Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, I was busy researching the history of the below redirects (it's very annoying when WikiBlame keeps timing out) when you withdrew the nomination. As for my comment, I don't currently have an opinion about which of the three targets is best, but whichever is chosen there should be hatnotes to the other two. Thryduulf (talk) 21:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate as no clear primary topic, Google seems to return more results for the Springfield meaning but its probably reasonable to say no clear primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
North Tacoma (The Simpsons)
[edit]Capstan Station (SkyTrain)
[edit]Misbehaviour
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Misbehaviour
Ur mater
[edit]Universal Studios
[edit]- Universal Studios → Universal Studios, Inc. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Universal Studios" is typically used to refer to either Universal Pictures, the film studio (as a nickname/former name), or the various theme parks around the globe named "Universal Studios" that are operated by Universal Destinations & Experiences. The parent company of both divisions is also named Universal Studios, Inc., which is where universalstudios
- Electing for disambiguation per nominator's rationale. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Universal Pictures (second choice is disambiguation) – At the very least, we have a rough consensus here against Universal Studios, Inc. as the primary topic, with some in that discussion leaning toward Universal Pictures instead. Universal Pictures was originally titled Universal Studios for more than a decade until an undiscussed technical move occurred (never got the discussion it deserved). Then recently in May, the redirect was changed to point to the parent company article instead of Universal Pictures (again, no discussion until this month).
- Best case I can present here is that the number of monthly pageviews Universal Pictures receives dwarfs every other Wikipedia article covering some aspect of the company. Outside of Wikipedia, it's much of the same. When you visit the main company's website, the film IP is front and center. When you visit their theme parks, film is front and center there too. Marketing? Yep, still front and center. The entire company revolves around (and depends on) it's film intellectual property, despite having a presence in other areas. Clearly, "Universal Studios" is a term that is most closely associated with the motion picture division of the company. The only other real competition here is Universal Destinations & Experiences, but per WP:DISAMBIG#Deciding to disambiguate, we simply place that in a hatnote like it is currently at Universal Pictures. If someone really feels a disambig page is necessary, we can add that to the hatnote as well. Simple.
- BTW, even if the result is no consensus, the redirect should revert back to its former target, Universal Pictures. There doesn't appear to be consensus for that change either. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll preface this by saying that consensus is presumed unless reverted, so we do have four months worth of implicit consensus for Universal Studios' current target, and many years worth of implicit consensus for Universal Pictures' current title.Now, let me present a counterargument. If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine, depending on where you are located, you'll most likely see results for the theme park closest to you. For me, it's Universal Studios Hollywood, but you might get Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, or Universal Studios Beijing. What you likely will not see is Universal Pictures, the film studio, because the word "Studios" does not appear anywhere in the name "Universal Pictures"; it's simply being used as a shorthand or nickname. If you look at sources that discuss the film studio and theme parks, most use "Universal Pictures" to refer to the studio and "Universal Studios _____" to refer to the parks. I don't dispute the fact that Universal Pictures is more notable/important/popular than Universal Studios (the theme parks), but what's the evidence that readers are likely looking for Universal Pictures (a non-title match) rather than the many other pages whose title contains "Universal Studios" when they search the latter term? InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- "
consensus is presumed unless reverted
" – I know you know I'm a longtime editor (15 years in fact), so you don't need to explain implicit consensus to me, probably just like I don't need to explain to you that it's also the weakest form of consensus that only exists UNTIL "disputed or reverted" (either qualifies). It should be clear I've disputed it, but even if that escaped your attention, did you already forget about this revert by Intrisit? Or how about this revert by 162 etc.? Perhaps I should also take a moment to point out that STATUSQUO is just an essay with zero bite, since you've used it as justification in one of those reverts."we do have four months worth...for Universal Studios' current target
", "many years...for Universal Pictures current title
" – Really? Prior to May, we had 7 years for Universal Studios → Universal Pictures! You can't see this in the immediate history, because the redirect was overwritten in December 2023 by a page move, but it had been like that for years following the 2017 technical move I linked above. 4 months doesn't hold a candle to 7 years, but regardless of the comparison here, presumed consensus is non-existent at this point. It's the same deal regarding the "Universal Pictures" article title. The article was previously titled "Universal Studios" for nearly 14 years, nearly double the amount of time it has been titled "Universal Pictures". Arguing in favor of recent presumed consensus while conveniently ignoring the previous presumed consensus that existed for a greater length of time doesn't make any sense. Your "preface" didn't do your counterargument any favors."If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine...
" – I think it's time you move away from this notion of relying on a basic web search for the premise of your argument. You did this in the previous discussion, and I showed back then (as I'll do now) that these are misleading arguments to bring to the table without proper context. The problem with using Google in the manner you are doing so now is that the "top hits" are tailored to advertising. SEO marketers exploit weaknesses in Google's search algorithms, such as PageRank, to game the system and push to the top of search result rankings. The problem continues to get worse each year, despite improvements made by Google and competing search engines. What you are witnessing in the results is bias; a bias toward marketing/selling/advertising. A better test would be to use Google Books, search on "Universal Studios" in quotes, and then on the results page, refine the results by using the dropdown "Any document" and selecting "Books" only (IMO, the other formats are more likely to cover travel and leisure in the form of advertising, skewing the results). Now what you'll find is that the first page is 4 hits movie studio, 6 theme park. There are some Econoguide and other travel-type publication hits on the next couple pages that favor theme parks, but from page 4 through page 10, the hits are predominantly the movie studio, and by a wide margin. I didn't spend time digging beyond that, but feel free, as this is a more reliable result that holds more weight. Do you find that interesting? I certainly did.In any case, this may not be the so-called evidence required, and a disambig page is still an acceptable alternative, but let's not pretend that the recent change to the redirect back in May has any kind of standing consensus. Should this discussion end in no consensus, you can bet I'll be reverting that change. --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- I recognize implicit consensus is a weak form of consensus; I was addressing your previous statement that there was "no consensus" for the redirect's current target and Universal Pictures' article title — this is not accurate, although there may be stronger consensus for an alternative.14 years and Google Books are because Universal Pictures used to be known as Universal Studios, not because Universal Studios is currently the common name for Universal Pictures. My search engine example was an effort to put ourselves in readers' shoes and surface what they are most likely looking for. As I noted in the RM, I agree it's not perfect, but it still shouldn't be entirely discarded. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- "
there was "no consensus" for the redirect's current target...this is not accurate
" – My statement is entirely accurate, and either you don't seem to fully understand the concept, or you have misinterpreted my statement. Presumed consensus did exist from the time the redirect was changed in May up until the time the recent RM discussion was underway. But it disappeared, poof, vanished, during that discussion as soon as it became obvious that editors disputed the May redirect change. This is why presumed consensus is not worth spending so much time dwelling over or using as a basis for an argument; it is extremely weak. Consensus through editing is no longer presumed when disagreement becomes apparent. As for Universal Pictures, I assume you're referring to the "undiscussed" move comment I made about never getting the discussion it deserved, but I never mention "consensus". You may want to start using quotes to make sure you're getting it right."Universal Pictures used to be known as Universal Studios
" – I am not following this logic at all in how this relates to 14 years on Wikipedia. Are you trying to draw a correlation between the two that is factual, or just sharing an opinion? Google Books is something concrete we can look at and take into consideration. You're welcome to contribute something as well. The web search, however, is the opposite: flawed and uninformative.There is also another angle to consider that I pointed out in the RM discussion (which BTW you seem to be avoiding). The pageviews count (1) at Universal Studios, Inc. shot up drastically following the redirect change, which comes as no surprise since we all pretty much agree the redirect change was the wrong move. This is just more supporting evidence of that. It's worth seeing that first and then comparing the pageviews count (2) at the former target, Universal Pictures, you'll notice the 8k+ dropoff that could have happened didn't really happen. A little fluctuation, but not much. The article's traffic essentially holds steady. This implies that Universal Pictures was likely to get that traffic regardless. Kind of an important aspect to consider as well in addition to Google Books and the other points made. --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)- I don't know how accurate this is, but according to Universal Pictures' infobox, it was formerly named Universal Studios, so I assumed this is why the Wikipedia article was only moved in 2017 and why some Google Books results use "Universal Studios". If the infobox is wrong, please correct me. Yes, I was referring to your comment on the "undiscussed technical move" of Universal Pictures, and perhaps I shouldn't have paraphrased that as "no consensus", but it seems you were implying that the undiscussed technical move indicates an absence of consensus for the current title.Regarding the pageviews argument, I no longer claim that Universal Studios, Inc. is the primary topic for "Universal Studios", so I don't contest that Universal Studios should not point to Universal Studios, Inc. I am calling for it to be disambiguated because I don't think Universal Pictures is more "primary" than Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal Studios Florida, et al.Interestingly, my Google Books results look different than yours. My first page yielded similar results, but pages 4–10 actually had mainly results for the theme parks. Perhaps more telling is that most results for the film studio pertain to the studio's "classic films" (typically the monster movies), i.e. when the studio was (presumably) named Universal Studios. These results were more or less identical when signed out in an incognito tab, so I'm not sure why you got such drastically different results. In any case, while I still don't think we should discard "regular" search entirely (this is how most of our readers navigate the web, not through Google Books or Google Scholar), I took a look at Google Scholar, and the results are similar to Google Books: 5 about the theme parks, 1 about the parent company (hmm, interesting), 3 about the film studio, and somehow the Masterminds production notes ended up on the first page. Second page onward are predominantly about the theme parks, with some monster movies sprinkled in. Google News is virtually all about the theme parks. Are you getting similar results? InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- "
it seems you were implying that the undiscussed technical move indicates...
" – Nope, simply saying it didn't get the discussion it deserved, full stop. In that discussion, we would have found out if it had consensus. I'm not claiming to know what the outcome would have definitely been."I don't know how accurate this is, but ... it was formerly named Universal Studios
" – Company infoboxes, especially when they're collapsed like that, rarely get the attention they need to be accurate. This one has an entry for 1996–2014 that is conflating the company with the motion picture division (you can read this in the body), which actually demonstrates the point I'm trying to make! "Universal Studios" is often used interchangeably to refer to "Universal Pictures". People often do this. Books often do this. Editors on Wikipedia apparently do this (thanks for the example). Just another real-world example of why it's harmless for the redirect to point here.You're missing the point about the the pageviews data. I already acknowledged we all agree about the parent company. This is what you need to focus on. More than 8,000 monthly hits at that redirect (people navigating to "Universal Studios") were taken away from Universal Pictures, yet this went nearly undetected in the average monthly views on that page. The traffic there essentially stays the same. I don't think we can ignore something like that."...when the studio was (presumably) named Universal Studios
" – So here's what's going to happen. I'm going to explain this, and you are going to move onto the next perceived flaw you can find and see what you can expose. But nevertheless, the company originally opened as Universal City Studios in 1915. Its film division has always to some extent been known as Universal Pictures (there may have been a "Company" tacked on at one point in the mid 20th century). But what you'll notice is that there are books, newspapers, and magazines published from the 1920s all the way through the 2010s that still state "Universal Studios" when casually referring to either the company or the film studio. Interestingly, even from the very beginning, they preferred to drop "City" from the name in publications. Also, it didn't seem too important to distinguish "Universal Pictures" from the main company name. Seems they were always viewed predominantly as one and the same.That's my personal understanding based on how the terms are interchangeably tossed around in sources. Only in official business relations or documents (or on screen) is extra care seem to be given to "Universal Pictures", which doesn't make it the common name, nor does it necessarily make it a good article title. As for your Google Books results being different than mine, I'll re-run it and post a list of my results. I don't see why those would be different unless we are running the search differently. Google Scholar is fine, but I think Google News suffers from some of the same bias and should be discounted. It's not a good test for this particular topic/debate. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)- OK, let's say Universal Pictures is often referred to as "Universal Studios" by academic sources (I take issue with this assertion and ignoring other types of sources, but I'm just going to WP:LETITGO and move on at this point). For the sake of argument, let's suppose that the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the studio is just as common as using "Universal Pictures", which is the name seen in the opening credits of virtually all Universal pictures and therefore recognizable to most readers. But how does this show that the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the film studio is substantially more common than the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the theme parks of the same name? The pageviews argument is interesting, but I think we have convincing evidence that it is also very common to use "Universal Studios" to refer to ... well, Universal Studios. If the parks weren't named "Universal Studios", that would be a different story. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- "
- I don't know how accurate this is, but according to Universal Pictures' infobox, it was formerly named Universal Studios, so I assumed this is why the Wikipedia article was only moved in 2017 and why some Google Books results use "Universal Studios". If the infobox is wrong, please correct me. Yes, I was referring to your comment on the "undiscussed technical move" of Universal Pictures, and perhaps I shouldn't have paraphrased that as "no consensus", but it seems you were implying that the undiscussed technical move indicates an absence of consensus for the current title.Regarding the pageviews argument, I no longer claim that Universal Studios, Inc. is the primary topic for "Universal Studios", so I don't contest that Universal Studios should not point to Universal Studios, Inc. I am calling for it to be disambiguated because I don't think Universal Pictures is more "primary" than Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal Studios Florida, et al.Interestingly, my Google Books results look different than yours. My first page yielded similar results, but pages 4–10 actually had mainly results for the theme parks. Perhaps more telling is that most results for the film studio pertain to the studio's "classic films" (typically the monster movies), i.e. when the studio was (presumably) named Universal Studios. These results were more or less identical when signed out in an incognito tab, so I'm not sure why you got such drastically different results. In any case, while I still don't think we should discard "regular" search entirely (this is how most of our readers navigate the web, not through Google Books or Google Scholar), I took a look at Google Scholar, and the results are similar to Google Books: 5 about the theme parks, 1 about the parent company (hmm, interesting), 3 about the film studio, and somehow the Masterminds production notes ended up on the first page. Second page onward are predominantly about the theme parks, with some monster movies sprinkled in. Google News is virtually all about the theme parks. Are you getting similar results? InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- "
- I recognize implicit consensus is a weak form of consensus; I was addressing your previous statement that there was "no consensus" for the redirect's current target and Universal Pictures' article title — this is not accurate, although there may be stronger consensus for an alternative.14 years and Google Books are because Universal Pictures used to be known as Universal Studios, not because Universal Studios is currently the common name for Universal Pictures. My search engine example was an effort to put ourselves in readers' shoes and surface what they are most likely looking for. As I noted in the RM, I agree it's not perfect, but it still shouldn't be entirely discarded. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- "
- I'll preface this by saying that consensus is presumed unless reverted, so we do have four months worth of implicit consensus for Universal Studios' current target, and many years worth of implicit consensus for Universal Pictures' current title.Now, let me present a counterargument. If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine, depending on where you are located, you'll most likely see results for the theme park closest to you. For me, it's Universal Studios Hollywood, but you might get Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, or Universal Studios Beijing. What you likely will not see is Universal Pictures, the film studio, because the word "Studios" does not appear anywhere in the name "Universal Pictures"; it's simply being used as a shorthand or nickname. If you look at sources that discuss the film studio and theme parks, most use "Universal Pictures" to refer to the studio and "Universal Studios _____" to refer to the parks. I don't dispute the fact that Universal Pictures is more notable/important/popular than Universal Studios (the theme parks), but what's the evidence that readers are likely looking for Universal Pictures (a non-title match) rather than the many other pages whose title contains "Universal Studios" when they search the latter term? InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - This seems to have clear WP:X or Y (or Z or XX or XY or XZ or YX or YY...) problems. Using the traffic to determine a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT in this case seems flawed. Traffic is going to be driven up because nearly every film from Universal will be linking there as the distributor, skewing the traffic data. You can actually see this as 60% of arrivals to Universal Pictures is coming from other articles (as opposed to search, other namespaces, external, etc.). I wish the WikiNav clickstream worked for Universal Studios, but I think it does not because it is a redirect. Despite the hatnote, people do not get funneled to the Destinations & Experiences page... likely because people arrive via other articles, and they aren't actually searching for one of the Universal Studios parks in those cases. There are just too many options, so a dab page seems to be the most logical solution.
Link to WikiNav clickstream data discussed. -2pou (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Mamma tua
[edit]MrBro
[edit]- MrBro → MrBeast#Early life and family (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; only a passing mention exists at Karl Jacobs. (Also, I'm not sure what exactly Cewbot's edits to the redirect were "fixing", but the page has been "reminded" twice of a broken anchor.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Awantipora
[edit]- All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Awantipora → All India Institutes of Medical Sciences (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Awantipora needs an individual article, like other branches of All India Institute of Medical Sciences, for example; All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Vijaypur, Jammu Inu06 (talk) 17:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to Awantipora#AIIMS Awantipora. Jay 💬 08:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Diffusion semigroup
[edit]- Diffusion semigroup → C0-semigroup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Paraguay men's national under-19 basketball team
[edit]Santa Maria Beach
[edit]- Santa Maria Beach → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia in the context of GTA. There is, however, an article on a beach called Praia de Santa Maria, as well as content on some beaches located in places named Santa Maria, such as Santa_Maria,_Ilocos_Sur#Santa_Maria_Beach, Santa María del Mar District (Peru), Capo_Vaticano#Geography, Beach_cleaning#Cleanest_beaches, as well as some image captions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Independence of Path
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Independence of Path
Wii GameCube
[edit]The authorities
[edit]Gamma-ut
[edit]God of the New Testament
[edit]When the God of the Old Testament (also a recently created redirect) is contrasted with the God of the New Testament, this is not generally the sentiment being expressed. Certainly not attempting to start a trinitarian debate though -- ha. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The New Testament God is Greek and doesn't equate with the Hebrew Yahweh. Trinity is at odds with the Old Testament. Jesus is a better re-direct that the "Trinity."--Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Change target to Names and titles of God in the New Testament. Definitely not "keep", as either the Trinity or God the Father are more obvious synonyms than Jesus. Fram (talk) 08:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, either as suggested by Fram (though that article is solely about naming) or to God in Christianity. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as suggested by Fram. At best the phrase is ambiguous, and "Jesus" is not usually described as "God" in the New Testament, but treated as a separate entity. P Aculeius (talk) 11:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I actually don't think we have a good target here. The nominator is correct that Jesus is not really an appropriate target. I don't think the target suggested by Fram is that helpful, as searchers would probably not be looking for information on the name of God IMO. My preference would be for a red link, because having an article about the concept of God in the New Testament specifically seems like a plausible article topic. (Rosbif73's suggestion of God in Christianity is a better target than the other two articles but still not my first preference). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is also New Testament theology. Surprisingly, we don't seem to have a lot of content on the topic of this redirect anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I considered that as a target as well, but that article is more about academic studies than discussing the theology per se. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Let's take a step back a moment and consider the context of these two phrases. In modern English discourse, when someone says "God of the Old Testament" they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to the concept of an angry vengeful god that actively destroys the wicked, or just anyone insufficiently respectful. When someone says "God of the New Testament", they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to a "peace and love", "hippie" style pacifist, non-interventionalist, forgiving god. Again, I'm not talking theology right now (if I was, I would vehemently disagree with both of the previous statements) I'm simply talking about what these phrases mean in the English language. Given that this is what the phrases mean, I think both links should go to an article that discusses these specific aspects or perceptions of god... I'm sure we have some, or should have some, given how extensively these topics have been discussed and written on by all manner of scholars. There may be more than one good target, in which case a disambiguation page might be appropriate. I think I would object to simply targeting Jesus or God in Christianity, as these don't really cover the plain meanings of how the phrases are used in English. I don't think we should delete, because this is a VERY plausible search term, and we DO have information on it... the problem is just pointing the user to the correct spots they are looking for. I don't have specific suggestions for where to go though, as... quite frankly, there's a lot. But the status quo doesn't seem right. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget. I find God in Christianity the most appropriate of the above suggestions, but instead I suggest God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Christianity. This immediately follows God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Judaism on the same page, and these sections provide accessible introductions to the God described in Hebrew Bible & NT respectively. – Fayenatic London 14:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Fayenatic London. Andre🚐 00:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is a factual statement and not an implausible search term for someone interested in the Bible.★Trekker (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
God of the Old Testament
[edit]- God of the Old Testament → Yahweh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently created alongside God of the New Testament (also under discussion at RfD). I don't think that Yahweh is the best target, as it's hard to know if readers will be looking for the ancient interpretation as discussed in the current target or more contemporary ones. I suggest retargeting to God of Israel (a disambiguation page), which is a synonymous phrase IMO. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Support Andre🚐 01:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Retarget to God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Judaism per Fayenatic London Andre🚐 06:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)- Neutral Another target could be "Gods of Israel" (Elohim); however, my opinion is that the singular God of the Hebrew Bible worshipped therein is Yahweh.Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- If there's multiple potential targets, why not just target a disambiguation page? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since the definition of Yahweh (as used inside that article) is Ancient polytheistic god. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How's that an argument to have God of the Old Testament redirect there? Shouldn't God of the Old Testament really point to something later than God in Judaism? Since the Old Testament itself as we know it was probably an artifact from the monotheistic period. Andre🚐 23:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose I agree with @Presidentman: that God of Israel (the disambiguation page) is a much more logical target. 50.221.225.231 (talk) 06:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Judaism, which provides a reasonably accessible introduction, and is immediately followed by a section on God in Christianity which should be the target of the related New Testament redirect. – Fayenatic London 15:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Łódź 1
[edit]Ostpreußenlied
[edit]Ostprussenlied
[edit]Jimmy Neutron Happy Family Happy Hour
[edit]LGBT in Mexico
[edit]- LGBT in Mexico → LGBTQ topics in Mexico (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wouldn't LGBT people in Mexico be the Wikipedia:Broad-concept article? --MikutoH talk! 00:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- That would be fine by me. It currently redirects to LGBTQ topics in Mexico, which is broader. I'd have no objections changing it. I believe it originally redirected to LGBT topics in Mexico and I just added the Q for WP:CONSUB. Lewisguile (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at Special:PrefixIndex/LGBT in, I would say retarget to LGBTQ rights in Mexico unless we want to change the entire list of redirects. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 check this and this, there are few country articles with LGBTQ people in prefix, and only two with LGBTQ topics in. --MikutoH talk! 23:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is probably less consistent than I thought; might need a mass-nomination in the future. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The need to improve consistency in the organization of our articles on LGBTQ people by country came up recently at WT:LGBT#"LGBT rights in country" vs "LGBT in country".--Trystan (talk) 01:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is probably less consistent than I thought; might need a mass-nomination in the future. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 check this and this, there are few country articles with LGBTQ people in prefix, and only two with LGBTQ topics in. --MikutoH talk! 23:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would retarget to LGBTQ people in Mexico, consistent with the name of the broad concept article for other countries (for those that have one). The topics article could be merged into the other existing articles.--Trystan (talk) 03:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Part Deux
[edit]T Bone Mendez
[edit]Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris
[edit]- Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melvin Harris (character) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melvin Harris (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of the content mentioning "Melvin Harris" on the English Wikipedia seems to be about this character. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep His name is mentioned in the game's credits. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 01:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How does that help a reader find any content on it (or find out that we don't have what they are looking for), though? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't it enough that the game mentions his name without having to read it? There's also the game's booklet. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Without having to read what? If you think this merits a mention in the article, then go ahead, but in the current state a reader will be directed to an article where they won't find what they are looking for, which is information on the topic of their search term. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't it enough that the game mentions his name without having to read it? There's also the game's booklet. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How does that help a reader find any content on it (or find out that we don't have what they are looking for), though? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete now that the mentioned alternative target has been deleted. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just removed its mention from the Big Smoke dab as well. Jay 💬 07:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Lance Wilson
[edit]- Lance Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lance "Ryder" Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Three unrelated people are mentioned at Withcott#History, I_Go_Back#Content, and 1990_Texas_Longhorns_football_team#Personnel (as well as some mentions of a Lance Wilson-White). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - His name appears in the game's credits, which is enough proof that such a character is notable in its own way. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- RfD is not a place to discuss notability but to determine whether redirects are helpful, which is not the case when their target provides no information on their topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Non-notable character not mentioned at target, which makes the redirect misleading. It doesn't matter that they appear in the credits if we imply there will be info at a location where there is not. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to I Go Back, which prominently mentions a different person by this name several times and gives a reason why people might be searching for information about them ("One version of the official music video ends with the note: "In memory of Lance Wilson and all the summers I shared with him"."). There is also an American footballer with this name who gets a couple of entries in lists but nothing in depth. Thryduulf (talk) 10:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably your comment should only apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I don't know if the second was added after my comment or I just didn't spot it, but my comment relates only to "Lance Wilson". Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably your comment should only apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete now that the mentioned alternative target has been deleted. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)- @Un assiolo: I Go Back has not been deleted and the mentions of Lance Wilson have not been removed from the article. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for not reading the discussion more carefully. Retarget Lance Wilson, delete Lance "Ryder" Wilson per Thryduulf. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Un assiolo: I Go Back has not been deleted and the mentions of Lance Wilson have not been removed from the article. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Lance "Ryder" Wilson to MC Eiht? Jay 💬 08:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
ZSWU
[edit]Disflation
[edit]Buccal organ
[edit]20 Years of Noise 1985–2005
[edit]- 20 Years of Noise 1985–2005 → Necrodeath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Article was redirected about 6 months ago due to lack of notability, but there is no mention of this title at the target. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Apple Internet Phone Operating System
[edit]- Apple Internet Phone Operating System → iOS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible redirect. Nobody calls the iPhone the "internet Phone". -1ctinus📝🗨 17:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Nothing has changed since this was kept in June. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- The problem with the previous nomination is that they focused on the redirect being unambiguous. While it is unambiguous, literally nobody calls an "iPhone" an internet phone. It is completely implausible and unhelpful. All the endorsements for keeping had "weak", and it's for a good reason. Sorry if this is badgering but I need to elaborate. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- As noted in the previous discussion it isn't "completely implausible" but actually rather plausible and helpful. You need to introduce new arguments that are actually reasons to delete if you want this nomination to go anywhere. Thryduulf (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, completely implausible. There are zero Google results unrelated to Wikipedia. If plausible, you would expect to see at least some usage. -- Tavix (talk) 21:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Unambiguous target, harmless, and WP:CHEAP applies. As for being implausible, I might have thought so, but since its creation it has in fact seen a surprising (to me) number of views suggesting it has use to someone and thus should not be deleted. Fieari (talk) 05:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete as implausible key term salad, and seemingly not even close to being its actual etymology cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment doesn't seem to relate to this redirect at all: It's entirely unambiguous and directly relates to it's single target, that being the operating system for Apple's Internet phone. As for the etymology, you're just plain wrong: iPhone states, with multiple sources,
According to Jobs in 1998, the "i" word in "iMac" (and thereafter "iPod", "iPhone" and "iPad") stands for internet, individual, instruct, inform, and inspire.
. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)- is this... one of my arguments being outed as poorly researched, with evidence clearly and unambiguously debunking it? well played. still, delete per tavix, as it requires jumping through at least three mental hoops with an outdated name for one of five possible "full" names that not even the most pedantic pedant i know would ever bother to use outside of the context of this redirect. as for the views, i kind of wish i was joking, but a good portion of them were from me, following the original rfd. something something bad habit of clicking on things
- also, the possessive form of "it" has no apostrophe, which is a painful truth i wish i could unsee, but that's besides the point cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment doesn't seem to relate to this redirect at all: It's entirely unambiguous and directly relates to it's single target, that being the operating system for Apple's Internet phone. As for the etymology, you're just plain wrong: iPhone states, with multiple sources,
Great Fray Smash Brothers X
[edit]Squawkbox (Transformers)
[edit]F-duction
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Appears in the Index of genetics articles (despite being a redirect, though the page also contains a bunch of redlinks), and is mentioned in the article about Edward A. Adelberg, who apparently discovered this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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- This a synonym to sexduction and, as far as I can tell, just an outdated way of referring to bacterial conjugation. Sexduction itself is a redirect to bacterial conjugation and is also not mentioned in that article. Maybe retarget to Bacterial conjugation and tag with {{R from alternative name}} ― Synpath 15:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Lucky Guy ( 2023 )
[edit]Meth King
[edit]Becton dickenson
[edit]- Becton dickenson → BD (company) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misspelling, miscapitalization, AND a shorter name, all in one. Seems implausible? asilvering (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The company is widely known as "Beckton Dickinson" so there is no issue at all with the length. All lowercase is almost always going to be a plausible search term, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be in this case. That leaves only the misspelling and Google results show that this is a common one - almost certainly given that it's a very plausible phonetic spelling. Putting it all together I'm seeing no reason to delete (it was only created today so there are no page view statistics). Note that this spelling is also currently in the lead of the article, but it was added by the redirect creator at about the same time. Thryduulf (talk) 03:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was my edit. I ran across the company in a news article that called it "Becton Dickenson", looked it up here, and didn't find a match. I quickly realized BD is the same thing and so created the redirect and added the alternate term to the intro. Brad (talk) 16:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The properly capitalized version of this redirect with a spelling error still exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud as a recently created redirect. Jay 💬 10:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association
[edit]- Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association → Polish Athletic Association (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Only hit on google is MOSiR Stadium (Stalowa Wola). Cremastra (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, refers to this organization: Subcarpathia: Polish Athletics Association. It seems to be a literal translation --Habst (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No mention of Subcarpathia at target. The organization mentioned by Habst seems to be a subsidiary organization of the Polish Athletic Association specifically for the region, but the redirect isn't useful if we have no information on it. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, how about adding a list of regional organizations to the Polish Athletic Association article? --Habst (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy with keeping if information is added. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, how about adding a list of regional organizations to the Polish Athletic Association article? --Habst (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Presidentman. May be recreated when regional organizations are added to the target. Jay 💬 18:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
FSAS
[edit]The publisher is not responsible for the use which might be made of the following information.
[edit]Disobedience
[edit]List of characters in the Suikoden series
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Unmentioned Suikoden characters (2)
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List of characters in Suikoden
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Unmentioned Suikoden characters
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YOU SUCK!
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The pizza is aggressive
[edit]Ebrahim Ralsei
[edit]Shoilan Government Primary School
[edit]Quadrachromic pencil
[edit]Does not look like we have any content on this, neither at the current target nor at Colored pencil. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the history of this redirect suggests it's a {{R from merge}} but I've not investigated whether it was actually merged. The two sentences were enough that it wouldn't meet any speedy deletion criterion if restored but not enough to sustain an article. If sent to AfD I expect it would get a mix of !votes to delete, merge, and expand with consensus equally likely to be any of them. History and uses are obvious potential areas for expansion but I've not yet looked to see what sources are available. Thryduulf (talk) 04:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think an entry for multi-colored pencils in general, including 3 color, 4 color, 5 color, 6 color, and more, would fit very well at Colored pencil#Types. I imagine it shouldn't be hard to find a sources simply stating what they are, maybe how they are made, who uses them, etc. Then we could redirect there. Fieari (talk) 06:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Search results are mostly Wikipedia mirrors. --Un assiolo (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Kingdom Hearts DS
[edit]Resident Evil RE:Verse
[edit]Blonde Haired Kid
[edit]- Blonde Haired Kid → Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Roxas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
wouldn't it be wacky if there were at least two other people who met those two criteria just in the target? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are there at least two other characters who were known as "Blonde Haired Kid" in fan theories before being named? ([64] [65]). There's probably a good place at Roxas (Kingdom Hearts) to mention this... -- Tavix (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- the medium source mentions the name in passing, and with no indication that it refers to roxas unless you're already neck deep in kh brainrot (in which case, my condolences). the tumblr link is tumblr, and moves out of the "whomst is that guy" topic a bit too fast for this discussion. results gave me... miscellaneous young blonde people
- also if my memory isn't failing me, that name was also thrown around for fellow full-time blondies naminé and ventus. likely in reference to roxas, but that's too much lore for my brain to handle cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair (NPI), search engines don't distinguish between "Blonde Haired Kid" and "blonde haired kid". Adding 'Kingdom Hearts' to the search gives a bunch of results like "Remember when Roxas was referred to as "Blonde Haired Kid (BHK)?", "Roxas was once just BHK (Blonde Haired Kid)" "...Internet forum hype back when Roxas was just known as BHK (blonde-haired kid)". Of course, internet fora aren't reliable sources, but they can be helpful to establish usage. -- Tavix (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that you need to disambiguate the Google search to find anything reinforces the point that this redirect is way too vague. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair (NPI), search engines don't distinguish between "Blonde Haired Kid" and "blonde haired kid". Adding 'Kingdom Hearts' to the search gives a bunch of results like "Remember when Roxas was referred to as "Blonde Haired Kid (BHK)?", "Roxas was once just BHK (Blonde Haired Kid)" "...Internet forum hype back when Roxas was just known as BHK (blonde-haired kid)". Of course, internet fora aren't reliable sources, but they can be helpful to establish usage. -- Tavix (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Roxas (Kingdom Hearts) if there has been sufficient evidence provided that there is a connection between the subject and this term. Otherwise, delete as unmentioned in both the current target and Roxas (Kingdom Hearts). Steel1943 (talk) 16:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There are millions upon millions of blonde-haired kids, real and fictional, in existence. This redirect is way too vague to target a specific one. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Quicole and Steel. Jay 💬 12:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Enigmatic Man
[edit]- Enigmatic Man → Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Organization XIII (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- To help you narrow it down: Per this and this, Enigmatic Man was a name for Xemnas before his identity was revealed. -- Tavix (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- a little late, but... yeah. he was known as that for a few seconds. the problem is that this isn't a kh-centric wiki, and this title isn't really notable outside of nomura teasing the fans that one time, so "enigmatic man" could really refer to anyone who keeps mysteries and is male. like that other guy with the gray hair and yellow eyes from kingdom hearts, or that other other guy with gray hair and yellow eyes from kingdom hearts, or lieutenant columbo cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. In addition to many descriptive uses there are direct uses at Knut Hamsun#Early literary career, Carole Mortimer#Do Not Disturb Series Multi-Author and List of Kingdom chapters (Volume 10). There is also an external link titled this at Sidney Cotton but I don't think that's includable. Google tells me it is also the name of a perfume and a character from Final Fantasy XIV (and possibly more) that don't immediately appear to be mentioned here. Thryduulf (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- None of the pages actually refer to a subject as "Enigmatic Man"; they use either a "the" or "an" determiner. Disambiguation should be at The Enigmatic Man depending on the ptopic, but 2 of the 3 examples use this name so that seems like a good guess. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There are way too many enigmatic men in existence in fiction and reality to target this redirect to one of them. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Wrestle with jimmy
[edit]Gedko Powało
[edit]- Gedko Powało → Gedko Sasinowic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a spelling mistake: proper name for the article is Gedko Sasinowic, proper name for the redirect ist Gedko Powała. My request for a speed deletion was reverted [66] Herzog von Teschen (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I declined the request for speedy deletion because no WP:CSD apply, and the page was at this title from its creation until 19 January 2024, otherwise I have no opinion at this time on the merits of this RFD. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:DDCB:DE19:D77:8499 (talk) 21:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle the non-diacritic Gedko Powalo. Jay 💬 12:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
[edit]Devara: Part 2
[edit]Bigg Boss (Telugu TV series) season 9
[edit]Johnny Bench Award
[edit]- Johnny Bench Award → Buster Posey Award (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Until 2019, the (Greater) Wichita (Area) Sports Commission gave the Johnny Bench Award to best catcher in college baseball. In 2019, Johnny Bench decided he wanted to start his own award and name it after himself. The Wichita Sports Commission renamed the existing award the Buster Posey Award. Since 2019, the current incarnation of the Johnny Bench Award has been given by Bench and the Cincinnati Reds to the top catchers in college baseball and softball as well as high school baseball and softball catchers in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and West Virginia.
In short, the Johnny Bench Awards are now distinct from the Buster Posey Award. It wasn't a simple renaming. This page should maybe become instead a disambiguation page which delineates the separate awards. Although I'm not sure if disambiguation pages are made unless there are multiple separate articles to link to (and I don't know that the new Johnny Bench Awards are notable enough for their own article). Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DABNOLINK says we can't have a dab page with just one blue link. My suggestion would be to have some content on either Johnny Bench or Cincinnati Reds that describes the modern version of the award and have Johnny Bench Award (2019–present) redirect with {{r to related topic}}, {{r to section}} and {{r with possibilities}} and then there can be a discussion if the Johnny Bench Award is a proper redirect or if there isn't a WP:PTOPIC and a dab page is necessary that a hatnote from Buster Posey Award wouldn't suffice, but until then Keep as there isn't a suitable alternative as proposed by nom. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep unless you can document that the other Johnny Bench Award is notable in its own right, as there is nothing to disambiguate. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Press Start (website)
[edit]N3rd
[edit]Probably ought to be a dab page as can conceivably refer to White N3rd of LuvBug or N3RD Street (which really ought to be at N3rd Street). Am I missing something? Launchballer 11:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi i am not sure how this eneded up being a redirect from n3rd street, my bad! It should be it's own standalone musician page for N3rd (he changed his name from White N3rd and yes is a part of Luv Bug who have their own wiki page already) Tommonovisio (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi is it possible to assist me please, so that the N3rd page can exist but we fix the issue where it became a redirect? @Launchballer Tommonovisio (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Tommonovisio:. I can advise that I redirected N3rd back to LuvBug as none of its claims were backed up by reliable sources; after removing them, the article did not assert why he was important or significant. If you can provide sources to back up your claims, feel free to try again, but consider starting in draftspace (i.e. Draft:N3RD).--Launchballer 00:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay thanks I will try to find references to verify the accolades/claims! Tricky thing is that he mostly writes tunes for other people which have had success, more so than his own releases.. Tommonovisio (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Tommonovisio:. I can advise that I redirected N3rd back to LuvBug as none of its claims were backed up by reliable sources; after removing them, the article did not assert why he was important or significant. If you can provide sources to back up your claims, feel free to try again, but consider starting in draftspace (i.e. Draft:N3RD).--Launchballer 00:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nerd (disambiguation) and itemize there. The street and the performer can be listed a stylizations of "nerd" (the street is pronounced that way, even though it originates as North Third ) ; it is also '1337'-5p33k spelling of nerd -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Draft:2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup
[edit]- Draft:2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup → Punjab Kings (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pointless redirect to an unrelated page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- This seems to have been WP:BLARed and then draftified (while being a redirect). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well there's history so it shouldn't be deleted. C F A 💬 01:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't that only apply if the page's former contents were copied/merged elsewhere? jlwoodwa (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but this a draftspace redirect so there's really no harm in keeping it in case someone wants to retrieve the content. C F A 💬 18:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't that only apply if the page's former contents were copied/merged elsewhere? jlwoodwa (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There may be a rationale for discussing that a certain editor be temporarily banned from moving pages. (I'll leave it at that as I don't feel like getting too far in the weeds right now.) Steel1943 (talk) 02:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that 2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup is now a redirect to Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup (though that article is subject to a deletion discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup). I think a sensible action for this redirect is to restore the former article as a draft (that may have been Spinin's intention, and the only other major contributor has been indef blocked). If someone then wanted to bring it back to the mainspace they would be welcome to do so but I don't know how likely it would be to survive an AfD, it may depend on the outcome of the other AfD. A7V2 (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Standard for the Andalusian Language
[edit]Snowball clause
[edit]A!
[edit]same-ish case as "a?". target doesn't help proving that this album is the primary topic for a common letter followed by a common punctuation mark cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment as per the A? nomination, this is the logo, "A!", currently used at the article Aalto University -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to A (disambiguation), and itemize there (the university can be listed with 'A?', 'A!', 'A"' (A-double-quote) logo variants -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- NOTE A? has also been nominated at RfD -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate or redirect to A (disambiguation) as Aalto University uses this form in the logo. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
A?
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$0.50
[edit]Cruel Intentions (2024 TV Series)
[edit]Year of Science
[edit]- Year of Science → Wikipedia:Year of Science (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is not the only "Year of Science" in existence, and such an WP:XNR can be confusing. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig or listify. There are many different years of science mentioned (mostly but not exclusively in passing) in various articles, and Annus mirabilis#1543 – The year of science and International years of science both exist. It wouldn't surprise me if there are also other relevant articles/sections as the search results contain a lot of irrelevant results too. Thryduulf (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Either disambiguate/listify per above or delete. The target and List of years in science come up in Google but the rest of the results aren't for the target so clearly not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
The Red Palace
[edit]- The Red Palace → Kuwait Red Fort (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Thanks to the "The", a book The Red Palace is the primary topic for this title, so this seems like a WP:REDYES WP:PLA situation. Cremastra (talk) 14:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate there's also Potala Palace, Lal Mahal, Red Palace and Red Square, 1–7 Constitution Hill, Birmingham; the Saudi one is mentioned at Saud of Saudi Arabia; and see also for Red Fort and Red Castle -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: created a stub at The Red Palace (novel), likely the primary topic so it should be moved to The Red Palace. No opinion on a disambiguation page at Red Palace (disambiguation). C F A 💬 16:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Move The Red Palace (novel) to The Red Palace. Al qasr al ahmar is known at the Red Fort, so naturally disambiguated as Kuwait Red Fort, but it isn't known as "Red Palace" to my knowledge, but more importantly in any RS I can find (and Google: "red palace" +Kuwait). It was definitely a fort: it was never a palace. I've edited the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate at Red Palace or otherwise move the film, the title without the article goes to a building in Birmingham but I doubt its primary so per WP:DABNAME this would be the correct title for a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:R specific
[edit]Hunger protest in Nigeria
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In Business (magazine)
[edit]Template:WP LGBTQIA
[edit]Farage riots
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Cs office
[edit]De dust
[edit]Häxans förbannelser
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Mesoclisis
[edit]Quran Afghanistan
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Living Marxism (US)
[edit]Blowing down
[edit]- Blowing down → Blowing up (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target; only content on this inverse operation that I could find on the English Wikipedia is at Castelnuovo's contraction theorem. The page itself was previously merged, though there wasn't a lot of content to being with either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I edited the article to mention blowing down as the inverse operation. I think that the redirect is reasonable, in that people might search for "blowing down". And the text now obeys WP:Redirect, I think. Mgnbar (talk) 12:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the search term is very plausible. Ideally, we would have a little more extensive information on this at the article, but thanks for adding that sentence at least. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't this point to a demolition topic? Blowing down buildings or bridges, etc. Or windstorm which meteorologically blow down things, as wind does -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that blowing up also isn't a redirect to explosion and the disambiguation page is located at blow up. I might be biased but I feel like someone looking for this gerund is likely to be interested in the mathematical topic. A blow down disambiguation exists as well, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- The average Wikipedia reader has never heard of the mathematical concept of blowing up and down, and has no reason to search for it. (And I say that as a mathematician.) So it seems reasonable to redirect "blowing up" and its variants to something like Explosion. However, I have never heard "blowing down" or its variants used in connection with explosions or implosions, so that redirect would make less sense to me. By the way, there is a Digable Planets song named "Blowing Down". Mgnbar (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I think "blowing up" is also wrong, since it should be a photography topic, as the primary topic. But, yes, there is also explosion. These mathematical topics will always be more obscure than the general uses found in public. And these mathematical topics are more obscure than the conventional highschool maths version of blowing up by a function tending to infinity in value; or "blowing up" by having singularities, as discussed in highschool physics. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 13:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the blow up disambig should definitely mention something like pole (complex analysis) or finite-time singularity (like the "explosion" explained at Ordinary differential equation#Global uniqueness and maximum domain of solution). Not sure again whether the ambiguity is present for the gerund in the same way, but that should probably be discussed at an WP:RM for the blowing up article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that blowing up also isn't a redirect to explosion and the disambiguation page is located at blow up. I might be biased but I feel like someone looking for this gerund is likely to be interested in the mathematical topic. A blow down disambiguation exists as well, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to the blow down disambiguation page. It's just a different grammatical conjugation of the same thing. If additional entries need to be added to the DAB, feel free to do so. Fieari (talk) 04:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Added Castelnuovo's contraction theorem and the Digable Planets song to the dab. Jay 💬 13:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Blow down DAB per Fieari. Worth noting that this had some prose [67], and it was "merged" by an IP editor who seems to have simply BLARed the article without adding to the target page. Might be worth looking into, and Mgnbar might want to include the one-sentence definition and two sources in the math article. Toadspike [Talk] 15:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. I just added a blurb to that DAB for Blowing up, so it's ready. Mgnbar (talk) 16:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I merged Mgnbar's Blowing up entry to my Castelnuovo entry. Mgnbar has then removed the Castelnuovo entry, and made it the Blowing up entry. Jay 💬 18:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell
[edit]- Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell → Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Inappropriate WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Unlike the similar redirects discussed recently this event is in the future (8 October) so the consensuses there do not necessarily hold. I've also notified the creator of the original page. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete on or after 9 October, keep until then (unless the event organisers say it's OK to delete earlier). While this shouldn't have been created in the mainspace, it exists and may be on publicity about the event (it has been getting hits) so there is benefit in being as friendly as we can be to prospective editors until after the event. It's unlikely that this will cause any harm between now and then. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Tabia, Sid Bel Abbés
[edit]The Heavenly Bodies
[edit]Martha Atwater
[edit]Pentinat
[edit]Over by over
[edit]Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Disinformation report
[edit]Southern Arena Stadium
[edit]Order of vanishing
[edit]Thailand Under-19 cricket team
[edit]Housing s at Saint Joseph's University
[edit]Burglary (history)
[edit]Death of Maumoon Abdul Gayoom
[edit]FC Djursholm
[edit]Starmergeddon
[edit]Tropical Depression Crising (2021)
[edit]Natoinal Kick a Ginger Day
[edit]Far-right riots
[edit]- Far-right riots → 2024 United Kingdom riots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wayyyy too vague for a redirect. There have been many far-right riots in history, such as the one in Charlottesville in 2017. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget I cannot seem to find any page or section specifically about far-right rioting, the closest being the page on rioting. There is also Right-wing terrorism (which some of the UK riots has been described as by some people) and List of ethnic riots, but not all far-right rioting might be described as such. Xeroctic (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate if there are indeed more topics that cover far-right riots. CNC (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget - I think a few good sources to avoid WP:SYNTH would justify a paragraph/couple sentences at Riot#Classification as a type of 'political riot'. Tule-hog (talk) 23:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- It seems the 'index' of riots is largely subsumed in the index found at Protest. Tule-hog (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig or retarget. I don't know what the best target for this highly plausible search term is, but it isn't one specific riot or set of riots so the current target is wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about Far-right terrorism as a redirect? -1ctinus📝🗨 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Far-right terrorism redirects to Right-wing terrorism so it's a good {{R from subtopic}}, however I don't see the connection to this discussion about Far-right riots? Most riots are not terrorism and most terrorism's only connection to rioting is tangential. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about Far-right terrorism as a redirect? -1ctinus📝🗨 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 13:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinion is divided between Delete, Disambiguate and Retarget but there is no agreed upon new target article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The reader probably wants to go to the current target but (a) we can't send them there because as an encyclopaedia these riots aren't the clear primary topic in terms of historical far-right riots, and (b) in 5 years' time this redirect, if not maintained, will look rather silly. This is outside the remit of a disambiguation page: search results are the most helpful, in lieu of a potential list. J947 ‡ edits 03:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per J947 as no single target, and no mention at Riot#Classification. Jay 💬 13:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Ǎs
[edit]Event Pokemon
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Event Pokemon
San Francisco Bay Intl
[edit]Case insensitiv
[edit]Unimproved
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 28#Unimproved
Anthony Walsh (weed)
[edit]Street Gangs
[edit]Smooth variety
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Smooth variety
Darklighter
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 1#Darklighter
Natoinal kick a ginger day
[edit]Phronima atlantica
[edit]Second Person Shooter Zato
[edit]OB(oligonucleotide/oligosaccharide binding)-fold
[edit]Brave, the Movie
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Brave, the Movie
Aero blue
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Aero blue
NURALIZA oSMAN
[edit]Template:Cita
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Template:Cita
Template:Test0
[edit]List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters
[edit]- List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of charaters in grand theft auto advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of charaters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of characters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list or section at target. However, Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters does exist, but it does not contain a list of characters. (List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore redirected article [68] until and unless a valid AFD of the article is done (rather than a unilateral undiscussed and unproposed redirect). Softlavender (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice per Softlavender and WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging Czar since they WP:BLARed List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters in 2015 [69]. Steel1943 (talk) 12:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a perfectly valid target and alternative to deletion for character lists that are clearly without sourcing for independent notability. The plot section covers everything the reader needs to know about these characters. Sending this unsourced "list" to AfD is needless process unless you think deletion is a better outcome than redirection here. If the "list" title is the issue, then rename as "Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance" but you'd still have the old title pointing to that redirect. czar 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll add that many, many "Lists of GameTitle characters" articles redirect to their parent articles' Plot sections same as this does. It's a common redirection because these character lists are just as commonly created, almost always without regard to sourcing. czar 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore article? Or simply refine to the "Settings and characters" section of the current target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There is no way that the original LoC would survive AFD, and the game itself is only 10ish hours, so even a (new) character section as redirect target seems overkill. – sgeureka t•c 09:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain per Czar. Softlavender and Thryduulf suggest restoring and sending to AFD for procedural reasons. as Sgeureka recognizes, this will surely fail to be retained at AFD, which as Czar correctly points out, will likely lead to a redirect. I see no reason to go through that process. Thryduulf points to WP:BLAR, but I see nothing there requiring us to restore it or go through AFD, since no one appears to be arguing for the article to restored.
I'm confused by Steel1943 and Sgeureka's insistence that the redirect target be an actual list. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a fine target without any modifications. We can and routinely do redirect list titles to articles which discuss the list subject but aren't lists. Daask (talk) 14:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC) - Do not Keep/Retain as no list exists at the target. Other list redirects may exist but because they haven't yet been discussed at RfD. Agree with Czar's compromise of moving the BLARd page to Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance and refine to Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters. Make it a move without redirect and delete the other nominated entries. Jay 💬 13:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station
[edit]Cow neck
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Cow neck
Oc county
[edit]Predictions of the end of Facebook
[edit]- Predictions of the end of Facebook → Facebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Predictions of the end of Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii, above. Delete twitter one, it can be recreated if/once information about the many news articles speculating about the end of twitter under Elon is added to an article. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Predictions of the end of Twitter as {{R from merge}}. Note that Predictions of Facebook's end would also need to be retargeted if the nominated one is. Jay 💬 09:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii. Delete twitter one per Fieari. No prejudice against recreation if a suitable target exists. Daask (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Weekend Trip
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 28#Weekend Trip
Halloween Cup
[edit]Ragg tuning fork
[edit]2024 Untitled Kendrick Lamar song
[edit]2024 Untitled Kendrick Song
[edit]Untitled Kendrick Lamar song (2024)
[edit]SLSB
[edit]Burin en-bec-de-flute
[edit]- Burin en-bec-de-flute → Burin (lithic flake) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "en-bec-de-flute" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Well, it is evidently a standard term and should be added. Johnbod (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Now added. You could have done this yourself. Johnbod (talk) 02:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Johnbod En-bec-de-flute is not bec-de-flute. Should this be moved to Burin bec-de-flute then? I've brought it here purposefully because I prefer it deleted (and still do as long as there's no mention of "en-bec-de-flute"), especially not inserting it to a page using only a Google search result as a reference URL, as it has been done so. But at least there is added content to warrant a Bec-de-flute target, so I'll thank you for improving the pedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at google the term is used in different formations. Yes, a different redirect should probably set up, or a few. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- That Google search is not a proper reference. Here is one that looks promising, but I need to get to other things and can't pursue this further at the moment.
- Johnbod En-bec-de-flute is not bec-de-flute. Should this be moved to Burin bec-de-flute then? I've brought it here purposefully because I prefer it deleted (and still do as long as there's no mention of "en-bec-de-flute"), especially not inserting it to a page using only a Google search result as a reference URL, as it has been done so. But at least there is added content to warrant a Bec-de-flute target, so I'll thank you for improving the pedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Heizer, Robert F., and Harper Kelley. “Burins and Bladelets in the Cessac Collection from Santa Cruz Island, California.” Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, vol. 106, no. 2, 1962, pp. 94–105. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/985375. Accessed 20 Sept. 2024.
LadyofShalott 13:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is a proper reference, but by all means add another. I'm not sure there isn't a difference between Old and New World defnitions. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Bruce Weber (reporter)
[edit]Box-Office Entertainment Awards
[edit]Boussh
[edit]No mention of "Bous", "ssh" much less "Boussh" at the target article. Apparently this is a piece of Star Wars trivia. I can't tell whether this is supposed to be an alter ego name? At least, the contents of the article make no implication that this is supposed to be the case. This redirect otherwise leaves people guessing what this means or who this is, or if it's a lightsaber sound effect. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Princess Leia was wearing Boussh's outfit when she infiltrated Jabba's palace at the beginning of Return of the Jedi. It could be added to the article and the redirect kept, or it could be deleted as the detail is too trivial, and the name "Boussh" is not stated in the film. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{r from misspelling}} of Boushh, which was mentioned in the target article until it was removed in June. I just reinserted the mention. - Eureka Lott 20:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not fully convinced that the mention is enough for Boushh to be a suitable redirect, but in any case per that redirect this should be refined to Princess Leia#Return of the Jedi where the mention is found. A7V2 (talk) 07:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Boston's best variety
[edit]No mention of "best" at the target article. The only mention of "Variety" is in the references, as a link to variety.com. The slogan for this radio is never implied, and not helpful as a search term bringing articles to a location where the slogan is never mentioned or discussed. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes: "Boston's best variety" is, in fact, the radio station's actual slogan. It's even mentioned on the official website: https://www.audacy.com/mix1041 . Duckmather (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Readers who type this in will not know this from the article contents. Material should be added to the page, or the redirect should be removed, because as it stands its confusing and misleading due to a lack of context at the target. There might be an infobox parameter which could make the former option easier, unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes The reason it's not in the article is because Infobox radio station no longer has a slogan parameter, in keeping with removals in other infoboxes. Discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations/Archive 2021#Removing slogan parameter from Infobox radio station and Infobox television station. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Readers who type this in will not know this from the article contents. Material should be added to the page, or the redirect should be removed, because as it stands its confusing and misleading due to a lack of context at the target. There might be an infobox parameter which could make the former option easier, unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the logo in the infobox on WWBX includes this slogan. That alone is probably not enough, however. A7V2 (talk) 07:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Bosch Institute
[edit]- Bosch Institute → Sydney Medical School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Bosch", and only one mention of "institute" at the target article, this mention being a general usage. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jay 💬 15:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Bo’oh’o’wa’er
[edit]BlockParty (game portal)
[edit]No mention of a feature called "blockparty" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Bundle Blockparty.com with this. Jay 💬 15:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Decco Bishop
[edit]- Decco Bishop → List of Fair City characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No entry at the target page, only appears within a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect that the character appears only within a reference. Decco is mentioned as Samantha Bishop's father, and some relation with Xavier Bishop. However, a better target would be Fair City#Social realism, related to life in prison. Jay 💬 16:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Charlotte Bishop
[edit]- Charlotte Bishop → List of Fair City characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No entry at the target page, just appears in a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect that the character appears only within a reference. She is mentioned as Paddy Bishop's daughter. However, this is a minor mention, hence delete to favour search results. Jay 💬 16:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Billy Rowan
[edit]- Billy Rowan → List of The Bill characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target list of characters. I suppose they aren't "the Bill"... Utopes (talk / cont) 23:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged this as {{R with history}}. The article was deleted at AfD and restored two years later per a request so as to use as reference while adding it to a list. Probably create an anchor at Episodes 47–48 of The Bill series 23, and retarget. Jay 💬 16:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Cranberry Station
[edit]- Cranberry Station → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem like we have any content on the GTA meaning of this, but there are Terra_Alta,_West_Virginia#History and Ilwaco_Railway_and_Navigation_Company#Cranberry_Station on other uses. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not much information at the two articles. Delete to favour search results. The pre-redirect page history was a one-line unsourced stub, and needn't be retained. Jay 💬 09:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
DcVD
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 2#DcVD
Bill Kilday
[edit]Subfebrile
[edit]Big Yud
[edit]Big Blag
[edit]Big Bear (malt liquor)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Big Bear (malt liquor)
Barnsley Chop
[edit]- Barnsley Chop → Meat chop (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Barnsley chop → Meat chop (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Barnsley" at the target article, unclear relationship to the target besides that they are both a form of "chop". Utopes (talk / cont) 23:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase redirect to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Add content I'm very surprised we don't have much content about this (there is a mention in a footnote at Culture of England), and there is absolutely no shortage of sources about it (I'm not convinced the nominator has done any sort of BEFORE here). The only thing I'm uncertain of is where the mention is best, hopefully someone more familiar with editing food articles will know better than me. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lamb and mutton#Cuts per Johnbod below. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and change the current target: Added to Lamb_and_mutton#Cuts, where it belongs. Totally notable if anyone wanted to do an article. Johnbod (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and change per Johnbod. I agree that in its current form as proposed it is useless, and I see that if changed as proposed it would be useful, probably also delicious. DBaK (talk) 08:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I would point out that when I created the lowercase redirect, there was a description of a Barnsley chop at Meat chop! It appears to have been removed. But yes, Johnbod's suggestion sounds like the best one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Banapassport
[edit]- Banapassport → Bandai Namco Entertainment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of a "passport" at the target article. No mention of "bana", implied to be short for "bandai namco", nor is there an implication of a "banapassport". Utopes (talk / cont) 23:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Smart card#Video games although unsourced. Jay 💬 16:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Banana Guard
[edit]- Banana Guard → List of Adventure Time characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Banana Guard appears as a unique fighter in MultiVersus. However, Banana Guard is not mentioned at the target article, and therefore misleads readers who navigate to this redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Bundle Banana Guard (Adventure Time) which redirects to Root Beer Guy. Jay 💬 16:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Baduizm World Tour
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Baduizm World Tour
Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology
[edit]All my life, it's like I'm always just about to fall off the edge of the world's tallest building. I stopped falling the second I saw you.
[edit]East Hill, Wisconsin
[edit]- East Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Franklin Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These do not appear at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jay 💬 19:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Misha Gromov
[edit]- Misha Gromov → Mikhail Gromov (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yes, "Misha" is a standard shortening of Mikhail in Russian, but I can't find any source referring to the aviator with this shortening, so this seems to unambiguously refer to Mikhael Gromov (mathematician). (If this were to be kept though, then Michael Gromov should be retargeted to the disambig as well since it is only more likely to be ambiguous.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- What the nom said. Jay 💬 13:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Dendrolaelaps
[edit]JSTC
[edit]Four Fs (evolution
[edit]Now Dance 89 - 20 Smash Dance Hits (The 12" Mixes
[edit]Picton Airport (New Zealand
[edit]The Devastator (film
[edit]Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26#Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky
And I think to myself: 'What a wonderful world.'
[edit]Everybody in the whole cell block was dancing to the Jailhouse Rock
[edit]Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
[edit]All the young dudes carry the news, boogaloo dudes carry the news
[edit]I don't care what people say: rock 'n' roll is here to stay
[edit]I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks
[edit]I've been through the desert on a horse with no name, it felt good to be out of the rain
[edit]I wrote it on the Starter cap
[edit]'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26#'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
Wu-Tang is for the children
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Wu-Tang is for the children
Two to the one from the one to the three
[edit]Don't you wanna grow up to be just like me
[edit]Check baby check baby one two three four
[edit]Ass so fat that you could see it from the front
[edit]I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line, add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine
[edit]I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating
[edit]Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement
[edit]Guess who's back, back again
[edit]Template:Lang1
[edit]- Template:Lang1 → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang2 → Template:Uw-disruptive2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang3 → Template:Uw-disruptive3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang4 → Template:Uw-vandalism4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang0 → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang0-n → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should all belong to one set, or none at all. There is also Template:Lang which is completely unrelated to these. I think deletion would be a good option as I can't see any real reason to prefer one warning template over the others. Gonnym (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I've left a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace where all the talk pages redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Lang1, Lang2 and Lang3 were redirected following separate discussions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 11, Lang4 was was redirected following Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 6#Lang 4. Pinging participants in those discussions: @Jc86035, Srleffler, Frietjes, TheDragonFire, and Plastikspork:. Thryduulf (talk) 18:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all - the naming implies that these are four levels of a single set, but in fact engvar is a single-level warning template; the others are members of two different sets of multi-level warnings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've added two more. --Gonnym (talk) 07:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if these are no longer in use. The previous redirects spoiled their function as a series of escalating warnings; there is no point keeping the redirects now.--Srleffler (talk) 16:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I said a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie to the hip hop, and you don't stop
[edit]Hey girls, hey boys, superstar DJs, here we go!
[edit]The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn! Burn, motherfucker, burn!
[edit]The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump
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Death Row's in tha muthaphukkin house
[edit]Wikipedia:Meditation
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Thibault Perissat
[edit]- Thibault Perissat → Peter Park (poker player)#Outright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely needed redirect BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Looks like the article it's pointing to is about to get deleted for non-notability, and this name within that article is even less notable than that, so... Fieari (talk) 05:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep If the main target (within the redirect) gets merged into another article there should be a, more logical, redirect to that instead. PsychoticIncall (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Just thought I'd mention that the target article, Peter Park (poker player), is at AFD right now. Liz Read! Talk! 18:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep without prejudice pending the outcome of the AfD. If the article is deleted this will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion, if it isn't then keep, redirect (and where to) or merge (and what is merged to where) will each have different implications for what the best thing to do with this redirect is so there's no point in discussing it until we know. Thryduulf (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The AfD closed as redirect to 2024 World Series of Poker. C F A 💬 20:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete(?): he's mentioned on 2024 World Series of Poker, but that doesn't look useful enough for a redirect to me. Better to just let people find that one via the search engine? -- asilvering (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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EYS
[edit]The great edit war
[edit]FuBl 2
[edit]- FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move to FuBL 2 or Delete. Jay 💬 11:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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Verenigd Koninkrijk
[edit]Ḙ
[edit]- Ḙ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ṷ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation
. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel
? - I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
- We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Sufferin' succotash
[edit]- Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes (talk / cont) 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep[Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".
- I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes (talk / cont) 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Chrysolith
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 3#Chrysolith
Jisan
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 3#Jisan
Palestine Israel
[edit]Barney and Brothers
[edit]Evil Dead 4
[edit]Iweh Pascal Odinaka(Poco Lee)
[edit]Chima big brother
[edit]Post (X)
[edit]Amu TV
[edit]Japanese opera
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God of the New Testament
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26#God of the New Testament
God of the Old Testament
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Santa Maria Beach
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Back O' Beyond
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List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters
[edit]Jizzy B.
[edit]Ran Fa Li
[edit]Jimmy Hernandez
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Zero (Grand Theft Auto)
[edit]B-Dup
[edit]Lance Wilson
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Johnny Sindacco
[edit]- Johnny Sindacco → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only mention on the English Wikipedia appears to be Casey_Siemaszko#Video_games, which does not provide any in-universe information. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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.. all of these characters ..
? Jay 💬 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)- A large number of characters from the game were nominated separately. I believe they should have been nominated together. I suggested re-nominating them together if this got closed as keep. Anyway, now that it has been decided to not restore the list, delete. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- The other RfD closed and the list was not restored. @Un assiolo: Why did you want this re-nominated? What did you mean by
- Delete per nom - the table entry mention at Casey Siemaszko does not warrant a redirect. Jay 💬 09:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Didier Sachs
[edit]- Didier Sachs → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Didier Sachs is an in-universe clothing brand, not a character, so the other RfD should have no impact on this one. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, and the pre-BLAR content needn't be kept. 4 lines unsourced and that lasted 10 minutes in 2014. Jay 💬 19:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris
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T Bone Mendez
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Colleges Against Cancer
[edit]2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament
[edit]F. Fitzgerald
[edit]Strawman (literal)
[edit]🆥
[edit]Punk rock opera
[edit]Keimu
[edit]List of bards
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Great Fray
[edit]Reports of black cougars in the United States
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Disflation
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Murloc
[edit]Self-torque
[edit]weird case, this one. "self-torque" seems to refer to 3 different things (one being a band), none inherently related to light, though one can be a property of it... but also of seemingly any wave. the term isn't mentioned in the target either. "self aligning torque" seems to be the term this was referring to, but it's also not inherently related to light (if at all). does anyone know what could be done here? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Never heard of this in the context of light. Constant314 (talk) 18:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect is not used in any article. Probably should be deleted. Constant314 (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm not familiar with the concept of self-torque enough to be able to help point to the correct target, but I would like to remind Constant314 that catching links from within articles on Wikipedia is not the primary purpose of redirects, and a redirect having NO links to it on wikipedia is not a valid reason to delete that redirect. The primary purpose of a redirect is to assist users to find what they are looking for, such as when they type it into the search bar... which they would do if they saw the term in a textbook or similar source and wanted to know more about what it is. This is almost certainly a valid thing to search for, the question is simply where it should point in order to help provide that information. Fieari (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- A paper "Self-torque and angular momentum balance for a spinning charged sphere" published in the American Journal of Physics, is used as a reference in Newton's laws of motion. However, there is no information about this term on enwiki. Delete in the absence of anyone providing any info on what this is. The redirect creator was community banned and cannot return until 2025, hence no prejudice against recreation if we have useful content later. Jay 💬 17:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Mike Oxbig
[edit]2005-Cracker Barrell
[edit]The Marshall Mathers LP 3
[edit]F-duction
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Buccal organ
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International Wrestling Hall of Fame
[edit]Stage 1 Pokémon
[edit]- Stage 1 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 1 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to evolutionary stages. as an example, popplio is stage 1, brionne is stage 2, and primarina is... why is there no stage 3 redirect? the terminology is sort of mentioned in the target (under breeding), but not in a way that would help those redirects cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card types as the only Pokémon-based subject where I believe this terminology is used. Steel1943 (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my stance to "weak" after locating (and remembering) the discussion I found below. Steel1943 (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- "used" it is. relatively commonly, for that matter. it's just in that weird limbo of not being properly mentioned outside of the tcg, and not well-covered enough to warrant being mentioned in depth. a lot of pokémon-related stuff falls in that limbo, it's painful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3#List of Pokemon by Stage, a discussion I found while researching why these nominated redirects existed, may be relevant ... which, ironically, is a discussion I opened in 2019 that I completely forgot about until now. Steel1943 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete all. Wherever we point these on wikipedia, they won't help anyone much. They'd be better off at Bulbapedia. We may as well remove them -- asilvering (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Asilvering. The mention at Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card types is not helpful either. Jay 💬 14:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Rome City
[edit]Meth King
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New Hampster
[edit]Becton dickenson
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Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association
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U.S. Mahayana
[edit]Bulbagarden
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Squeezel
[edit]The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told
[edit]- The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told → Sholay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems both too long and incredibly specific to the point where I can't see it being used. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sholay is likely the most popular Indian film ever, and everything from its marketing taglines to dialogues to even the names of minor characters are familiar with everyday people (the FA is pretty indepth about this). It includes this as well. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gotitbro. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I would tend to agree with the nom, it's too new to tell. If it's useful, it will be used. Time will tell and the stats will reflect whether it's useful or not. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told, and therefore misleading. CycloneYoris talk! 00:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @CycloneYoris: My understanding is this was a tagline used, but I don't see the greatest star cast ever being ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless, it needs to be deleted due to the spacing error before the hyphen (as per Jay below), and I would support keeping if someone moves it to the correctly spaced title. CycloneYoris talk! 08:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also note the redirects created by the same creator on the same day. But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
- The greatest star cast ever assembled
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- The Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled Greatest Story Ever Told
- Jay 💬 06:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
- That is how it is exactly quoted in the article though. Gotitbro (talk) 18:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not. Delete because of the mistake. There are several other redirects that may be used in the place of this one. Jay 💬 15:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- does this count as blatantly and overly promotional? this is the only example i could find of a tagline being a redirect (where's a superhero movie with a mind of its own for megamind?). if it counts, then delete all per that. if it doesn't, then delete all as vague instead, since results for both of those sentences mostly gave me top whatever many "greatest x" lists cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Megamind is/was never a cultural zeitgeist/milestone for American cinema or popular culture, unlike Sholay for Indian cinema. You only need search a bit and see what you have:
- Who you gonna call?
- With great power comes great responsibility
- You'll believe a man can fly
- Why So Serious
- This Time It's Personal
- Just When You Thought It Was Safe to Go Back in the Water
- Houston, we have a problem
- His whole life was a million to one shot
- Be Afraid - Be Very Afraid
- In space, no-one can hear you scream
- A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
- The Fairest of Them All
- Sister, sister, oh so fair, why is there blood all over your hair?
- The horror the horror
- Whoever wins we lose
- Live. Die. Repeat.
- Welcome to the suck
- One ring to rule them all
- There's no place like home!
- Keep the change, ya filthy animal
- Size does matter
- When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth
- Pray for Rosemary's Baby
- I Changed My Sex
- She Who Must Be Obeyed
- Life is a Cabaret
- How far does a girl have to go to untangle her tingle?
- Where were you in '62?
- The night he came home
- They're here
- They're here, already! You're next! You're next!
- Leisure Rules
- There can be only one
- Die Harder
- Life is like a box of chocolates
- And I don't see how this redirect is any different from any of these, to specifically consider a CfD only here. Neither do I see the point of it being vague (especially for the construction CfD'd here) when the nom's rationale itself is "too long and incredibly specific". Gotitbro (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: This absolutely does not count as blatant/overly promotional because of the context and relevance. You're welcome to vote how you like, but as Gotitbro mentions, these types of tag lines being created is not unusual. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Megamind is/was never a cultural zeitgeist/milestone for American cinema or popular culture, unlike Sholay for Indian cinema. You only need search a bit and see what you have:
- Delete: Per nom, also delete all the redirects mentioned by Jay. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 13:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- on second thought,
deleteas just plain ol' malformed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote Liz Read! Talk! 21:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC))- the vote isn't technically duplicate, it's over a different reason. see the missing space cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gotitbro. Cremastra (talk) 00:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There are enough correctly-formatted redirects for the target article to be found, without the need for this one with an error in it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Malformatted redirects are not useful, and we have plenty of better ones. I'm not commenting on the suitability of the phrase itself as a redirect, which is why I'm also not commenting on any of the other redirects being brought up. It's a bit too late to bundle them in, so a separate nomination could be made for the bunch if necessary. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
[edit]Formicapunk
[edit]Well, excuse me!
[edit]List of Strogg in Quake II
[edit]- List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it
- and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: That's one way of interpreting what I was trying to get at! In addition, regarding questioning administrators who participate in discussions: When administrators participate in discussions, they do so in their capacity as editors; their comments hold no stronger weight than any regular editor. They also cannot abuse their tools in retaliation since they would lose their administrative privileges. (I know there's a policy or essay page out there stating this, but I cannot find it at the moment.) In other words, feel free to challenge any editor in any discussion if you do not agree with their stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore or Delete right away?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- while we're here, what about quackifier? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not seen in the parent article and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, game-guide content cannot be restored, violating what Wikipedia is not. Unmentioned on Wikipedia (correctly so, I'd add). Utopes (talk / cont) 15:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOT is explicitly not a speedy deletion criterion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Good thing this isn't WP:CSD! -- Tavix (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- why do you keep using "this isn't a criterion for speedy deletion" here of all places? rfd isn't exclusively for speedy deletions, and you're the only person in this discussion who brought up speedy deletion in any context besides telling you that this venue isn't necessarily for or about speedy deletion, and neither is this discussion (seeing as it's gone on for over a month and all) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOT is explicitly not a speedy deletion criterion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist to prevent WP:PEIS issues due to old log day still being present as a transclusion on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Reminder that per WP:RELIST, this discussion can be closed at any time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Restore article per Thryduulf.RfD is not the appropriate venue to discuss the deletion of an article. A7V2 (talk) 08:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC) (struck, see below A7V2 (talk) 00:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC))
- But we're not discussing the deletion of an article, we're discussing the deletion of a redirect. RfD is absolutely the correct venue for this discussion. Do you have any evidence that the former article content may be notable? -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome to disagree, but I don't agree that BLARing should be allowed to be used as a backdoor to deletion of articles. This case is even more problematic as there is evidence that some users disagreed with the BLARing (reverting it twice) but no deletion discussion took place. A7V2 (talk) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- it had no sources, one of the reversions was per otherthings, the other had no reason given, and it was pure fancruft written in an almost entirely in-universe style. it had no place here then, and it has no place here now. thryduulf was the first person to present any form of actual argument about it, and even then, their arguments relied on rules that don't exist and/or contradict the ones that do cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- In what way do arguments that article content should be discussed at AfD before deletion contradict any rules? There are exactly two scenarios where it is acceptable to delete article content at RfD: Where previous discussion about the content has resulted in a consensus to delete and where the content would meet a speedy deletion criterion if restored. Neither apply here. Indeed what has happened here is equivalent to PROD being contested twice previously and then contested by multiple people here at RfD. No reason is required to contest a prod, yet here we have multiple and people are still arguing that AfD isn't required because they personally would vote delete there. Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- you
- cited wp:blar as a reason to restore despite that section being completely unrelated to deletion or merging discussions
- seemingly mistook rfd for a speedy deletion venue four times in this discussion (still no idea what that's about)
- handwaved to the existence of a "process" that, in restoring content contrary to how wikipedia works, would contradict long-standing precedent of deleting those blar'd lists (see the discussion for the list of strogg in quake 4 for a recent-ish example) and the guidelines detailed in wp:rfd (in this case, the main one is #2, as the list is still not present) and wp:notgameguide (as without notability or a single source, this list's presence would be unwarranted), but never detailed what the process actually is
- seemingly came up with a new guideline that states that blars' content absolutely needs to be taken to afd, seemingly ignoring the flimsy or nonexistent reasoning for the reversions here, and the aforementioned arguments against the content having already been made
- handwaved to this somehow violating wp:prod (or being equivalent to it? what does that even mean?), despite the fact that reverting edits that were considered unambiguously unconstructive even over 10 years ago is not considered very controversial, dealing with a redirect (unless this would count as an article the first time), the only argument against merging being "i worked hard on this", and it not even being a prod
- and yes, if the "process" somehow dictates that this should be taken to afd, my vote there would still be to delete as an unambiguous violation of wp:notgameguide
- every policy i could find states that this should be a pretty clear-cut case of "delete and call it a day". if you know what the policies that state otherwise are, please let me know. and maybe tavix too i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I can specify why WP:CSD isn't relevant here: the first sentence states (my emphasis added) that CSD is
the only cases in which administrators have broad consensus to bypass deletion discussion, at their discretion, and immediately delete Wikipedia pages or media
. RfD is a deletion discussion venue, so a criterion for speedy deletion is not necessary for deletion. I can also specify the purpose of WP:RFD per its first sentence:Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed.
This is a potentially problematic redirect, so this is, by definition, where it should be discussed. -- Tavix (talk) 21:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC) - I don't understand why you (Cogsan) keep thinking I'm calling RFD a speedy deletion venue? I'm very explicitly not doing that. What I am saying is that: If BLARed content were restored, and that content would meet a speedy deletion criterion (e.g. it was a copyright violation or patent nonsense), then its OK to delete the former article content at RfD.
- When content is BLARed, and there are objections to that BLAR, then it is explicitly noted at WP:BLAR that the correct venue for discussion is AfD. There have been at least four independent objections to the BLAR here.
- That there isn't content at the target of the redirect is not really relevant because nobody is arguing to keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is explicitly noted at WP:BLAR is that
other methods of dispute resolution should be used
. AfD is then listed as one of the options, evidenced by thesuch as
clause that follows. RfD is a dispute resolution venue, thus there is no issue with adjudicating BLAR issues here. -- Tavix (talk) 23:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC) - i disagree with the first point. from a thorough read, you made no effort to make your arguments related to speedy deletion seem like anything besides randomly bringing it up as if you thought that rfd was solely for speedy deletion (or worse, that afd was the only venue for non-speedy deletion) until this exact comment, which i still disagree with per wp:xfd. as tavix noted, every single policy anyone here could find either actively supports blars being taken to rfd as if they were redirects, or just suggests finding a venue for it (with afd provided as an example)
- and for the however manieth time, this whole discussion also actively ignores precedent that wikipedia doesn't house gamefaqs or fandom-style lists of things, unless they're notable (like pokémon), that those kinds of redirects just get deleted here regardless of blar status, and that no one seems interested in changing consensus in this area
- so to make things short, i believe every single one of your arguments here either heavily misunderstands how rfd works, or seems to be inventing some policy that has coincidentally never been followed yet, even by admins like tavix, hey man im josh, explicit, and... i was going to say you, but you mostly seem to deal with g6 and g7 speedy deletion, so give or take
- is this part also unreadable on mobile yet? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is explicitly noted at WP:BLAR is that
- Well, I can specify why WP:CSD isn't relevant here: the first sentence states (my emphasis added) that CSD is
- you
- In what way do arguments that article content should be discussed at AfD before deletion contradict any rules? There are exactly two scenarios where it is acceptable to delete article content at RfD: Where previous discussion about the content has resulted in a consensus to delete and where the content would meet a speedy deletion criterion if restored. Neither apply here. Indeed what has happened here is equivalent to PROD being contested twice previously and then contested by multiple people here at RfD. No reason is required to contest a prod, yet here we have multiple and people are still arguing that AfD isn't required because they personally would vote delete there. Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: Where's the backdoor? It looks like the front door is wide open during this discussion. As for
no deletion discussion took place
, there is one ongoing right now! I agree that disputed BLAR's should be restored should a case for notability be made, but so far no one has made a non-jurisdictional case for restoration. -- Tavix (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)- @Tavix RfD and AfD attract different users looking at different things. Users who normally participate in deletion discussions but not at RfD would not necessarily know that this discussion is taking place. Has any WP:BEFORE been performed for this former article, or others like it at RfD? Also, there is no requirement that notability be established for someone to oppose a BLAR. That's why there is the suggestion that it be discussed at AfD. A7V2 (talk) 23:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: Do the five editors who have reviewed the article content and agreed that it was a violation of WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE mean nothing to you? What more would you want from an AfD discussion? RfDs are advertised in the article alert section of the relevant WikiProject(s), in this case WP:VG. One could alert the project with a talk page message if you are looking for something in particular? You could also WP:DELSORT the discussion. To demonstrate, I have added this discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Video games#Redirects. Have you performed a WP:BEFORE? If so, what did you find? Yes, because you are advocating for restoration the WP:BURDEN is on you to demonstrate that the content is verifiable
to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution
. -- Tavix (talk) 00:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)- @Tavix we can go around in circles for as long as you'd like to. As I said before you are free to agree or disagree that this is the appropriate venue to discuss the deletion of article content. Why would I perform a WP:BEFORE when I am interested in discussing the former article but the redirect? I'm not going to respond to a strawman argument such as you've made with regard to WP:BURDEN except to say that if someone was to blank an unsourced article, it would be perfectly acceptable to restore that article and suggest that it be taken to AfD or PRODed, and I don't think that that is any different for a redirect. A final point I'll make is that often with these kinds of RfD nominations it is often more a matter of who notices them that affects the results rather than a clear and concrete policy, so I would be open to a wider discussion about this, but as it stands we have a clear ambiguity (after all we have very longstanding editors and administrators such as yourself and Thryduulf who disagree on this) and so all I can do is give my opinion, and whether that places me with consensus or against it for this case is up to the closer. A7V2 (talk) 01:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: When there is article content under the redirect, there is some determination that must be made about the content. For example, at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 18#2005-Cracker Barrell, you were able to analyze the article content, do some research on the topic, and come to the conclusion that it can be safely deleted, citing that it's unreferenced. That looks like a WP:BEFORE-like analysis to me. What's different about this redirect? Do you see something that you think may be notable? If not, what's the point of taking it to AfD—so we can wait a week and have it deleted then? What I'm trying to do is protect AfD from being a dumping ground of RfD's trash and prevent RfD from having a reputation that we are unable to handle this. This discussion is actually good evidence of RfD being able to handle it when you strip away the meta-arguments: five(!) editors have reviewed the content and determined that it fails WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE, which has been more attended than your average AfD. Finally, as for whether it would be acceptable to restore an unreferenced article, the policy answer is no—not unless you're adding citations. WP:BURDEN makes very clear (with my emphasis) that
any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source.
-- Tavix (talk) 02:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)- I looked at the history and saw that the BLAR had previously been disputed. That in line with my usual standard of whether the article passes WP:SNOW was enough for me to feel that this shouldn't be deleted here. I will admit I did not read all of the above discussions as carefully as I perhaps should have, but when much of it is pointless badgering when it is very clear what Thryduulf means with regards to whether the former article satisfied any CSD, I am less inclined to read it carefully or pay it much attention. I disagree with your interpretation of policy with regards to unreferenced articles being blanked rather than taken to AfD or PRODed (of which there are still many lurking around not being blanked, I suppose someone could blank them all if they liked but to me that would seem disruptive) but note that in this case the BLARer did not express any concerns around verifiablilty, and much of the content can be trivially cited to the game's manual (eg [70], pages 29-32). A7V2 (talk) 04:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- i'll say that yes, i also disagree with this having been blar'd. i think it should have been taken to afd back then so that this discussion wouldn't have been happening now
- but i'll also disagree with using the manual as a source (trivially or not, as it likely wouldn't warrant a list on its own) before finding something secondary, since one could also make the exact same argument for chasm: the rift or earthbound cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- The manual of course can't be used to establish notability but could be used to satisfy verifiability (but what I was getting at was that this question about verifiability is just an excuse to get around the proper processes). Given what has been discussed above it does seem unlikely that this would be kept if taken to AfD so I'll withdraw my !vote but this was certainly handled poorly in the first place as you say. A7V2 (talk) 00:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at the history and saw that the BLAR had previously been disputed. That in line with my usual standard of whether the article passes WP:SNOW was enough for me to feel that this shouldn't be deleted here. I will admit I did not read all of the above discussions as carefully as I perhaps should have, but when much of it is pointless badgering when it is very clear what Thryduulf means with regards to whether the former article satisfied any CSD, I am less inclined to read it carefully or pay it much attention. I disagree with your interpretation of policy with regards to unreferenced articles being blanked rather than taken to AfD or PRODed (of which there are still many lurking around not being blanked, I suppose someone could blank them all if they liked but to me that would seem disruptive) but note that in this case the BLARer did not express any concerns around verifiablilty, and much of the content can be trivially cited to the game's manual (eg [70], pages 29-32). A7V2 (talk) 04:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: When there is article content under the redirect, there is some determination that must be made about the content. For example, at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 18#2005-Cracker Barrell, you were able to analyze the article content, do some research on the topic, and come to the conclusion that it can be safely deleted, citing that it's unreferenced. That looks like a WP:BEFORE-like analysis to me. What's different about this redirect? Do you see something that you think may be notable? If not, what's the point of taking it to AfD—so we can wait a week and have it deleted then? What I'm trying to do is protect AfD from being a dumping ground of RfD's trash and prevent RfD from having a reputation that we are unable to handle this. This discussion is actually good evidence of RfD being able to handle it when you strip away the meta-arguments: five(!) editors have reviewed the content and determined that it fails WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE, which has been more attended than your average AfD. Finally, as for whether it would be acceptable to restore an unreferenced article, the policy answer is no—not unless you're adding citations. WP:BURDEN makes very clear (with my emphasis) that
- @Tavix we can go around in circles for as long as you'd like to. As I said before you are free to agree or disagree that this is the appropriate venue to discuss the deletion of article content. Why would I perform a WP:BEFORE when I am interested in discussing the former article but the redirect? I'm not going to respond to a strawman argument such as you've made with regard to WP:BURDEN except to say that if someone was to blank an unsourced article, it would be perfectly acceptable to restore that article and suggest that it be taken to AfD or PRODed, and I don't think that that is any different for a redirect. A final point I'll make is that often with these kinds of RfD nominations it is often more a matter of who notices them that affects the results rather than a clear and concrete policy, so I would be open to a wider discussion about this, but as it stands we have a clear ambiguity (after all we have very longstanding editors and administrators such as yourself and Thryduulf who disagree on this) and so all I can do is give my opinion, and whether that places me with consensus or against it for this case is up to the closer. A7V2 (talk) 01:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: Do the five editors who have reviewed the article content and agreed that it was a violation of WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE mean nothing to you? What more would you want from an AfD discussion? RfDs are advertised in the article alert section of the relevant WikiProject(s), in this case WP:VG. One could alert the project with a talk page message if you are looking for something in particular? You could also WP:DELSORT the discussion. To demonstrate, I have added this discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Video games#Redirects. Have you performed a WP:BEFORE? If so, what did you find? Yes, because you are advocating for restoration the WP:BURDEN is on you to demonstrate that the content is verifiable
- @Tavix RfD and AfD attract different users looking at different things. Users who normally participate in deletion discussions but not at RfD would not necessarily know that this discussion is taking place. Has any WP:BEFORE been performed for this former article, or others like it at RfD? Also, there is no requirement that notability be established for someone to oppose a BLAR. That's why there is the suggestion that it be discussed at AfD. A7V2 (talk) 23:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- it had no sources, one of the reversions was per otherthings, the other had no reason given, and it was pure fancruft written in an almost entirely in-universe style. it had no place here then, and it has no place here now. thryduulf was the first person to present any form of actual argument about it, and even then, their arguments relied on rules that don't exist and/or contradict the ones that do cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome to disagree, but I don't agree that BLARing should be allowed to be used as a backdoor to deletion of articles. This case is even more problematic as there is evidence that some users disagreed with the BLARing (reverting it twice) but no deletion discussion took place. A7V2 (talk) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- But we're not discussing the deletion of an article, we're discussing the deletion of a redirect. RfD is absolutely the correct venue for this discussion. Do you have any evidence that the former article content may be notable? -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Allow me to pile on with a delete per the nomination. I really am not concerned with the previous article content this many years after the fact, and the argument about venues above did nothing to change my mind. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Wrestle with jimmy
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Heather Liscano
[edit]Shoilan Government Primary School
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Dupchanchia Model Government Primary School
[edit]Chicago Gators
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List of Kingdom Hearts franchice characters
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[edit]Enigmatic Man
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Blonde Haired Kid
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Certificat Superieur de Francais
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Deer cannon
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Kingdom hearts kari
[edit]Naga (Warcraft)
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[edit]Unio personalis
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[edit]Monsoon Revolution
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[edit]Try Stress Management
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[edit]Resident Evil RE:Verse
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Major All Stars
[edit]Muhajir Province
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Pokemon Directory
[edit]The Greatest Of All Time (Upcoming film)
[edit]Tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride
[edit]- Tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride → Lithium aluminium hydride (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This item is redirected to Lithium aluminium hydride, which is a different conpound, that even does not contain tert-butyl groups; tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride does not contain lithium.--M97uzivatel (talk) 04:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The full compound name is lithium tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride, which doesn't exist and is red at the current target. It is discussed at the target, but I agree that in general we should avoid redirects for compounds to articles about specific, different compounds. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Mdewman6, and unlink at Grob fragmentation so it doesn't remain a redlink. Jay 💬 17:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the comments above. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
"Loss"
[edit]Hard Cast
[edit]Hands-On Museum
[edit]Kingdom Hearts DS
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Etelis coruscans
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[edit]Quadrachromic pencil
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Snowball clause
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Häxans förbannelser
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Lithotomic
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Black box (fiction)
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Multiplicity of a restricted root
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[edit]Minister for Cities
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Bīn
[edit]What the! Should redirect to Bin instead, surely. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's apparently a hanyu pinyin reading for... a bunch of old(?) chinese lemmas. i got nothing. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- i think "been" would rely too much on one accent of one language in certain conditions, so i don't think that one would work either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect. This is a transcription of multiple different Chinese characters that have meanings including "visitor, guest", "in a hurry", "today", "elegant, refined", "place", "sprinting, quick" and pronunciations including "wǎng", "bin", "bin", "ban", "pîn", "kǔn", "kwan" (both a far from complete lists). I'm not seeing any obvious primary topic in English. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- This used to be a disambig page with entries of Pungi and Veena, and Shhhnotsoloud redirected it to the current target with
Redirect to other disambiguation page that contains all the entries
. Pungi does have this term in its lead. Jay 💬 11:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget to bin (disambiguation), and add any entries that are needed, such as pointed out by Jay -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bin (same as the IP above) and add Veena, Rudra veena, and Pungi to that DAB. Toadspike [Talk] 14:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pungi and Veena are already part of the current target dab page. I don't understand the nomination rationale behind "What the!" and ".. surely." Macron (diacritic)#Vowel length says ā, ē, ī, ō, ū, ȳ indicate their long vowel sounds, hence Bīn would represent Been. Jay 💬 18:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Casey Simpson
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The five sauces
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Weaner
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